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Iran's Leaders Know Trump Is Desperate (w/ Kenneth Pollack) | Shield of the Republic

2026-06-14 News & Politics
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With Eric on vacation, Eliot welcomes Kenneth Pollack, VP for Policy at the Middle East Institute, to the show. Ken outlines MEI's mission before providing analysis on the current state of the Iran war. They discuss the difficulty of ending a conflict when both sides believe they are winning, and whether we are on the cusp of significant concessions or escalation. They explore whether the war was a good idea badly executed or a bad idea badly executed. The pair also speculate about what a successfully prosecuted war effort would have looked like before turning to the likely trajectory of the Iranian regime in the future. Ken explains the broader implications of the war for the Gulf States, Israel, China, Russia, and Turkey before closing with a conversation about why the United States cares about the region and why it presents such an enduring challenge. Shield of the Republic is a Bulwark podcast co-sponsored by the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia. Become a Bulwark Youtube Plus Member here - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG4Hp1KbGw4e02N7FpPXDgQ/join

Top Comments (10)

@Joel-s5e4c 2026-06-14

When Donald trump visited the think tank, he asked “where is the tank?”

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@billdodd6723 2026-06-14

So let’s talk tactics?Does it ever occur to these people. “What gives the US the right to meddle in affairs of other people?” Can you imagine if another country travelled half way around the world and murdered people in your country including your government leaders? Seriously is that just taken for granted that you have the right because? Or is that just beyond theses Neo cons

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@us-Bahn 2026-06-14

Going against every instinct in the book, it’s hard not to root for Iran here.

34 1 replies
@nieksalomons 2026-06-14

I always come here for arrogance, and I've never been disappointed!

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@dclaman 2026-06-14

Is there some reason that 15 minutes into this presentation there has been no mention of the state of Israel? Seems like a massive blind spot.

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@nydubliner6217 2026-06-14

Why is the statement ‘the Saudis are going to have to learn to share the Middle East with the Iranians’ so unbelievable? What other choices do neighboring countries have, other than endless war?

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@nighthellcat2732 2026-06-14

Huh. *I* was taught that "putting yourself in someone else's shoes" was trying your best to NOT bring your personal experiences and prejudices, but to see with theirs. No wonder "empathy" is a dirty word to some people.

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@howardkaplan3605 2026-06-14

Clearly, it was a bad idea badly executed. Why did Pollack equivocate about the obvious?

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@hephaestion12 2026-06-15

27:41 conflict since 1979 sounds an awful lot like a quagmire to me

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@kathya1321 2026-06-15

This war was a BAD idea. Period. No amt of execution could have improved an outcome that was doomed from day one! TRUTH.

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