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DNA Expert: New Breakaway Human Species is Evolving in Indonesia | Dr. Melissa Ilardo

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Detecting Hidden Evolution: Deep Dives, Genetic Signatures, and Future Human Trajectories

Discover how unique, modern lifestyles—like breath-hold diving—reveal rapid genetic adaptation in human populations. Understand what historical bottlenecks, globalization, and emerging technologies mean for our physical future.

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  • Researchers identified that the Bajjo sea nomads possess uniquely large spleens due to a specific genetic variation, enhancing their oxygen capacity independent of diving practice.
  • Global mixing is rapidly creating novel gene combinations, contrasting sharply with historical genetic isolation driven by regional pressures.
  • Evolutionary success selects for the best fit to the current environment, not necessarily the most traditionally "fit" or intelligent traits.

This discussion with Dr. Melissa Ilardo explores groundbreaking findings in evolutionary genomics, focusing on how extreme environmental demands (like deep diving in Indonesia and Korea) drive predictable, measurable changes in human biology. The conversation expands outward to examine genetic bottlenecks, the influence of technology on future human morphology, and the complex relationship between genetics and traits like intelligence and fertility.

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Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Dr. Melissa Ilardo, Ph.D is a professor of evolutionary genomics and biomedical informatics at the University of Utah. Her research explores human evolution and adaptation in populations that have previously been overlooked or excluded from biological research. Her recent work looks into a population who engages in the practice of breath-hold diving & is evolving on a unique breakaway trajectory from the rest of homo sapiens on earth. SPONSORS https://hellofresh.com/danny10fm - Get 10 Free Meals + a Free breakfast for Life! https://cell.ver.so/danny - Use code DANNY to save 15% on your first order. https://butcherbox.com/danny - Get free steak in every box for a year PLUS $20 off your first box. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS https://medicine.utah.edu/faculty/melissa-ilardo https://www.superhumanlab.org https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/19/science/bajau-evolution-ocean-diving.html https://www.instagram.com/superhumanscilab https://linkedin.com/in/melissa-ilardo FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny LISTEN ON Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4VTLG0HiIZaCjH9gE6NFPq Apple - https://itunes.apple.com/podcast/id1441238966 OUTLINE 00:00 - Genomic evolution of Baju people (sea nomads) 15:00 - How long Baju can hold their breath for 21:19 - All-female Korean free divers (Haenyeo) 32:17 - Lost species of humans 42:44 - Humans won't survive the next 100,000 years 47:50 - Mother of humanity: The real "Eve" 59:48 - Humans are attracted to mates by pheromones 01:06:30 - Why assisted reproductive technology might be harmful to evolution 01:14:57 - Effects of the global population mixing & mating together 01:21:37 - Risks of CRISPR gene editing 01:30:37 - Lifespan & the grandmother hypothesis 01:37:18 - Evolution of un-contacted indigenous tribes 01:40:50 - What future humans will look like 01:49:08 - Intelligence is not genetic

Top Comments (10)

@Adamantalian 2025-11-24

Saying intelligence is not genetic is perhaps the most unscientific thing I've ever heard.

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@nouseforaname5378 2025-11-25

I watched a documentary about Sherpas in the Himalayas that are evolving different from their activities at higher altitudes. Their blood consumes oxygen differently as I recall

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@M1903a4 2025-12-02

When I lived in Japan in the late 1950's I learned about the Ama, female Japanese Pearl divers, who routinly free dove both deeper and for longer periods of time. They have been doing it for at least 1,000 years.

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@ONGKLONG 2025-11-24

Not only Indonesians...The Badjao are a group indigenous to the Philippines but also live in parts of Indonesia, Malaysia, and other Southeast Asian countries.

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@robinedwards8796 2025-11-25

Holding breath and cold water on your face induces the mammalian dive response. It slows down vitals to conserve oxygen as well. So you get those extra red blood cells with extra oxygen AND your body slows your respiration and heart rate way down, thereby also conserving oxygen.

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@dannyjones 2025-11-24

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@bobbysweeney5377 2025-11-25

This is crazy to know because when i was a little kid, i would hold my breath a lot. (Mainly when angry. Lol) but i would also do the thing where id make my face red by putting all the blood to my head. Well then as a kid, baywatch came alone, and i was a fan. I saw that David Hasselhoff said "To be a lifeguard here, you have to be able to hold your breath for 4 minutes minimum) so as a kid, i immediately started in the pool and right away, i was up over 4 minutes. I wonder if its correlated to my breath-hold fits as a toddler. Lol

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@michael.zoitry 2025-11-26

I've always thought of increasing my spleen size until i realized it would directly impact my ability to spleesh

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@billsybainbridge3362 2025-12-03

Two things: 1. Contrary to early Darwinistic Interpretations, "death is NOT the only 'Agent Of Change'. 2 - Also - Epigenetics CAN affect the time-dependent expression of certain genes,; therefore behavior can and will adapt physical forms beyond their purely genetic confines.

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@Eh2KNexus 2025-11-26

Parasympathetic dominance → high vagal tone → splenic contraction inhibition → stable RBC levels → cognitive stability Sympathetic dominance → splenic contraction → RBC dump → rapid metabolic shift → flexible/chaotic processing

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