Debate w/ The Final Boss Of Conspiracy Theories On Fresh N Fit

Saying that the internet is cheating in a debate about facts is insane

This was absolutely brutal. Having a tag team of a guy who knows all the military facts and destiny who knows all the political facts........ devastating

I think I remember Destiny saying he would never do this debate because he'd need to go down too many conspiracy rabbit holes to deal with it, glad to see he decided to anyways.

The final boss of conspiracy theories was honestly pretty disappointing.

How the fuck did the world went so wrong that HUGE debates with INCREDIBLE significance are happening in the fucking fresh and fit and whatever podcast??

middle guy got him down to 1 HP in one hit holy shit

TIME STAMPS and SUMMARIES 0:00 intro 1:13 Ukraine Russia debate begins and Destiny states his position 1:50 Destiny states Russian invasion into Crimea was unjustified in 2014 and in the moral wrong 4:36 Ryan Responds to Destiny and Michael and gives his position. Claims Crimea wasn’t annexed it was a secession movement. 7:17 Michael responds to Ryan 7:46 Ryan gets mad that Destiny is using his phone 7:58 Destiny contests some of Ryan’s claims using his phone related to Russia not invading Crimea 8:40 Destiny talks about how there were troops in Ukraine so it wasn’t a secession but a military occupation 8:50 Ryan says it was an election where the results shows that Crimea wanted to secede from Ukraine and join Russia 8:52 Destiny contests validity of election and says he doesn’t trust it 8:55 Michael Sartain response to Ryan and Destiny 10:57 Ryan says anti Russia sentiment started long before Crimea by heroizing Nazis and banning the Russian language, Russian athletes, etc. 12:12 Michael talks about how Russia lied about invasion 12:40 Ryan says Russia is afraid that Ukraine can potentially introduce western troops and a hostile military presence near their border and Michael Sartain agrees 13:20 Destiny disagrees with Ryan’s claim that Russian language was banned and says the Russians have neo-Nazis too 14:08 Ryan says that Ukrainian neo-Nazis aren’t necessarily anti-Semitic they were anti Russian. Michael Sartain agrees 15:22 Destiny says Russia caused a lot of suffering to Ukraine during the soviet era and Ryan agrees 16:40 Michael Destroys Joseph Stalin 16:50 Michael talking about nukes in Ukraine 18:07 Ukraine has a lot of oil so Michael says it’s the real reason for the invasion and that the F35 are coming and that scares Russia 18:50 Michael says a lot of planes are able to carry nukes 19:20 Destiny says here are reasons to invade Ukraine like to keep them in their sphere of influence and Ryan agrees 20:00 They start talking about NATO states on Russia’s border 21:00 Ryan says the Russian’s are protecting their border and trying to get access to resources in Ukraine and they start talking about who blew up the pipeline and Oil 25:52 Michael talks about how Russia lied about having hypersonic missiles, the inferiority of Russian military technology, and how bad the sanctions are for Russia 27:23 Ryan says the Russian tanks aren’t necessarily inferior to American tanks because they aren’t taking on other tanks. Instead, they are being destroyed by landmines, anti tank personnel, helicopters, and javelins. 27:48 Ryan says there aren’t tank on tank battles instead Russian tanks were destroyed by land mines not American/Ukrainian tanks 28:58 Michael says Ukraine is the underdog and doing well and states that Ukraine has that unlimited NATO budget 30:15 Michael says Ukraine has a trillion dollar defense budget but Russia only has an 80 billion dollar defense budget. Michael also says they are getting top tier US technology and it will only get worse for Russia when the F22, F35, and m1 Abraham tanks pull up 30:51 Ryan disagrees with Michael and says all the current US weapons in Ukraine are getting destroyed but agrees Ukraine isn’t going to run out of money and stuff. Instead Ryan says they’ll run out of personnel 31:29 Ryan goes on to say the sanctions were basically ineffectual and went against NATO's plot to try to squeeze Russia. He says Russia was initially holding back during their invasion of Ukraine because the Russians were unsure if they could deal with the sanctions. 30:12 After the Russians begin to realize the sanctions aren’t that dangerous, Ryan says they decided to slowly attack Ukraine with artillery at range so Russia doesn’t lose personnel. Ryan claims the sanctions are hurting NATO more than Russia 32:44 Destiny says Russia is just doing currency manipulation to make it seem like they aren’t getting hurt by the sanctions and their GDP is dropping too 33:13 Michael says Russia is about as wealthy as Mexico 30:22 Ryan says GDP isn’t the best way to measure an economy 33:00 argument about how strong is the Russian economy compared to western ones begins 33:50 Destiny questions if Russia can out manufacture the west 34:00 Ryan says they are out manufacturing the western world and destiny says he doesn’t believe that 34:09 Ryan talks about how Syria shot down an F-16 with trained Israeli pilots with the s400 and says less trained Ukrainians against trained Russians with s400 won’t be a game changer 34:36 Michael responds to Ryan 30:15 Ryan explains why he thinks sanctions are hurting NATO more 35:32 Michael and Destiny explain why they think Russia is suffering more from sanctions 36:00 Ryan says our military isn’t cost effective 36:40 Michael and Destiny say it is cost effective and so much so that other nations want to buy our military equipment 37:00 Destiny roasts Russian hypersonic missiles 39:04 Ryan says he predicted the Ukrainian invasion 39:34 debate ends and they make predictions for the outcome of the Ukrainian and Russian conflict My own opinion: I thought this was a good debate its a shame Dawson was so jet lagged from Japan. I think he did well, but the only contention I had with him was that he didn't want to have Destiny use his phone. I had to agree with Destiny there because if you are right it shouldn't matter if you get fact checked. I was also surprised Destiny didn't say more in the debate because he usually has more to say. Michael Sartain and Ryan Dawson did most of the talking with an occasional rebuttal from Destiny. As a result of that I think Dawson did do better on this topic and on 9/11 . If this comment gets enough likes I'll post the time stamps in that debate too if it gets posted. Comment on what y'all think because the Rumble comments were unanimously saying Dawson won.

It’s so wild Dawson gets called out for just lying on facts and the conversation just moves on

the amount of FnF, Dawson and fuentes bots in the chat while the debate was happening is just mindboggling, Dawson presented 0 evidence and did not contest any of destiny's points and yet they were sooo sure destiny was losing. All those minds are lost.

This isn’t even a debate. It’s just a discussion because the pro-Russia guy is barely rebutting anything.