Film Theory: Who REALLY Belongs on the Iron Throne? (House of the Dragon)
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Even without matpat film theory is still cooking
"Bread, we want bread" in a heartbeat a thousand voices took up the chant. King Robb, King Joffrey and King Stannis were forgotten and King Bread ruled alone. "BREAD!" - A Clash of Kings - Chapter 41 - Tyrion IX
8:58 Sooo what you're saying is.. There is no rule that says a dog can't be King? Someone send a raven for AerBud Dogaryen
I know who should sit on the throne... MATPAT!
One thing about English law that was missed here: Kings could choose their heirs, and override the assumption of traditional primogeniture. When Richard the Lionheart died, he'd already named John his presumptive heir despite having been usurped by him. Because Richard understood he might not have any sons by the time he died, and the other nearest claimant was too young to be king, he chose his younger brother who was both an adult and had experience with governing. His decision was backed by Eleanor of Acquitaine, the real Angevin royal we should be glorifying. Even though primogeniture law was somewhat murky on who has priority: a younger brother, or the son of an elder brother, English law trumped that and John became King of England. Of course that didn't stop his nephew Arthur from leading a failed rebellion and ending up at the bottom of the Seine, but such is monarchy. Viserys naming his sucessor should likewise be taken into consideration, on top of the oaths he made his vassals swear. These men can deny that they're beholden to their fathers' words all they want, but they know perfectly well who it was Viserys appointed as heir. Especially since he, at no point, took the effort to change this just because he had sons. Of course, because all these Westerosi nobles are a bunch of scheming ingrates, what the law says ultimately doesn't matter. You can have every law of the land in your favour and never become king if you can't back up your claim by force. That's how reality works out most of the time, and you don't even need to be a monarchy for that to apply. And it wouldn't be George R.R. Martin if his work wasn't a deeply cynical application of reality onto wide-eyed fantasy.
0:25 Robert said that this thing called a chair is not comfortable at all, and simply it's designed to look scary and cool, but you really don't want to sit on it for too long😂.
My favorite running gag is definitely how the other theorist channels are so territorial on their subjects
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Rhaenyra's biggest mistake is her failure to secure her position within King's Landing. Viserys was wise in letting her join the Small Council. Daemon has his Gold Cloaks. They were in a position of power to send off Aegon Aemond and Daeron to be warded off away from King's Landing while she controls the King's Landing. Then it's very easy to summon each new lord to the capital to again swear fealty to Rhaenyra.
As a hungarian my mind went to Maria Theresia, who was kind of in a similar position Her father made all other ruler to take an oath that she will be the heir, but after his death, a lot of them didn't honor it She eventually convinced the hungarian nobles to help and (kind of) secured the throne to herself
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Even without matpat film theory is still cooking
"Bread, we want bread" in a heartbeat a thousand voices took up the chant. King Robb, King Joffrey and King Stannis were forgotten and King Bread ruled alone. "BREAD!" - A Clash of Kings - Chapter 41 - Tyrion IX
8:58 Sooo what you're saying is.. There is no rule that says a dog can't be King? Someone send a raven for AerBud Dogaryen
I know who should sit on the throne... MATPAT!
One thing about English law that was missed here: Kings could choose their heirs, and override the assumption of traditional primogeniture. When Richard the Lionheart died, he'd already named John his presumptive heir despite having been usurped by him. Because Richard understood he might not have any sons by the time he died, and the other nearest claimant was too young to be king, he chose his younger brother who was both an adult and had experience with governing. His decision was backed by Eleanor of Acquitaine, the real Angevin royal we should be glorifying. Even though primogeniture law was somewhat murky on who has priority: a younger brother, or the son of an elder brother, English law trumped that and John became King of England. Of course that didn't stop his nephew Arthur from leading a failed rebellion and ending up at the bottom of the Seine, but such is monarchy. Viserys naming his sucessor should likewise be taken into consideration, on top of the oaths he made his vassals swear. These men can deny that they're beholden to their fathers' words all they want, but they know perfectly well who it was Viserys appointed as heir. Especially since he, at no point, took the effort to change this just because he had sons. Of course, because all these Westerosi nobles are a bunch of scheming ingrates, what the law says ultimately doesn't matter. You can have every law of the land in your favour and never become king if you can't back up your claim by force. That's how reality works out most of the time, and you don't even need to be a monarchy for that to apply. And it wouldn't be George R.R. Martin if his work wasn't a deeply cynical application of reality onto wide-eyed fantasy.
0:25 Robert said that this thing called a chair is not comfortable at all, and simply it's designed to look scary and cool, but you really don't want to sit on it for too long😂.
My favorite running gag is definitely how the other theorist channels are so territorial on their subjects
👑 Secure your legacy! Download Game of Thrones Legends by clicking here: https://gotl.onelink.me/W7zw/tft
Rhaenyra's biggest mistake is her failure to secure her position within King's Landing. Viserys was wise in letting her join the Small Council. Daemon has his Gold Cloaks. They were in a position of power to send off Aegon Aemond and Daeron to be warded off away from King's Landing while she controls the King's Landing. Then it's very easy to summon each new lord to the capital to again swear fealty to Rhaenyra.
As a hungarian my mind went to Maria Theresia, who was kind of in a similar position Her father made all other ruler to take an oath that she will be the heir, but after his death, a lot of them didn't honor it She eventually convinced the hungarian nobles to help and (kind of) secured the throne to herself