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Joe Rogan Experience #2395 - Mariana van Zeller

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Investigative Journalist Mariana van Zeller Discusses Black Markets, Drug Epidemics, and Societal Failures

Learn how 35% of the global economy operates in shadow markets and explore why corruption in healthcare and politics enables devastating drug epidemics and large-scale human exploitation.

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  • Uncover the "Hidden Third": Detailed exploration of how unregulated gray markets and black markets account for an estimated 35% of the global economy.
  • Expose Systemic Exploitation: Evidence revealed regarding the American opioid crisis, the massive scale of the drug trade, and sophisticated international scam operations trapping victims in forced labor.
  • Critique Political Dysfunction: Discussion highlights how partisan division, political opportunism, and corporate influence prevent solving crises like opioid addiction and immigration.

This discussion features investigative journalist Mariana van Zeller, host/producer of Trafficked, promoting her new podcast, The Hidden Third. She details her dangerous, boots-on-the-ground reporting spanning cartel operations in Mexico to complex fraud rings in Southeast Asia, using these experiences to illustrate deep, recurring failures in American social and political structures.

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Mariana van Zeller is the host and executive producer of National Geographic's "Trafficked with Mariana van Zeller." Check out her new podcast "The Hidden Third" and also more content on her new YouTube channel. ⁠https://www.youtube.com/marianavanzeller⁠ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at ⁠https://pplx.ai/rogan⁠. 50% off your first box at ⁠https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan⁠! Buy 1 Get 1 Free Trucker Hat with code ROGAN at ⁠https://happydad.com

Top Comments (10)

@MA789H 2025-10-17

Can you bring on Keanu Reeves!

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@thequietlion3553 2025-10-17

You cannot sneak across the border if you’re seeking asylum. Contrary to what she said, it DOES matter how and where you arrive in the country. You are supposed to report to a legal port of entry in order to officially apply for asylum.

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@PlayAttention 2025-10-18

Deporting people isn’t morally wrong. If you were in any country in the world without a visa etc and you got kicked out you would 100% know you were in the wrong.

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@shannonreeser5865 2025-10-17

Wow what a bummer this interview ended up to be. Glad the comment section sees it too.

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@DrunkenJackD131 2025-10-18

Did this woman seriously just say there’s no pathway to citizenship while being an immigrant with citizenship herself?

287 20 replies
@bojro33 2025-10-19

So... if i break into your house, but i take out the trash and help with the dishes, i can stay? And i can bring my kids?

232 15 replies
@jordanrussell5797 2025-10-20

Came to the comments and was not disappointed .

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@TrophyGuide101 2025-10-20

I don't blame anyone illegally sneaking into another country seeking a better and safer life for their family. I also don't blame said country for deporting people who snuck in.

101 4 replies
@scoobydont77 2025-10-18

No mention of the disproportionate amount of military aged men, disproportionate amount of Chinese and Venezualans. HMMMM I wonder why?

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@calvinyoung4002 2025-10-21

If you're in the country illegally, you've been given plenty of notice that you are not welcome to stay. Go home, get your immigration status in order, and apply for legal entry. You don't have to live in fear of being deported. Self deport and do things the right way.

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