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Anti-Spy Phone CEO on Pegasus, Israel Link Allegations & Erik Prince | Joe Weil • 339

2025-09-24 Entertainment
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PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/JulianDorey (***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Joe Weil is the CEO of Unplugged, a privacy-first tech company building tools like the UP Phone to give users full control over their digital lives. He previously worked on special projects for Apple Services and now leads Unplugged’s growth and product strategy. JOE's LINKS: - UNPLUGGED PHONE: https://unplugged.com/products/up-phone - IG: https://www.instagram.com/weare_unplugged/ FOLLOW JULIAN DOREY INSTAGRAM (Podcast): https://www.instagram.com/juliandoreypodcast/ INSTAGRAM (Personal): https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey/ X: https://twitter.com/julianddorey LISTEN to Julian Dorey Podcast Spotify ▶ https://open.spotify.com/show/5skaSpDzq94Kh16so3c0uz Apple ▶ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trendifier-with-julian-dorey/id1531416289 JULIAN YT CHANNELS - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Clips YT: https://www.youtube.com/@juliandoreyclips - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Daily YT: https://www.youtube.com/@JulianDoreyDaily - SUBSCRIBE to Best of JDP: https://www.youtube.com/@bestofJDP ****TIMESTAMPS**** 00:00 - Intro 00:54 - Back Door, iPhone Boom, Ad Overload, Apple + Google, Change It 09:54 - Fixing Youth, UpPhone Time Away, Apple Roots, Sobriety, Living Script 30:54 - Miracle, Rehab, Sobriety, Becoming Christian, Saw Jesus 39:54 - Childhood Abuse, God Before Rock Bottom, Idols, Miracle Factory 49:54 - Vulnerability, Recovery, Imposter Syndrome, Losing Father 59:54 - Labels, Day 1 at Apple, Values-Driven, 10 Years at Apple 01:09:54 - Demo Culture, Ideation, COVID Rethink, Politics at Apple 01:18:54 - Censorship, Leaving Republic, Elon & Twitter, Founders Warning 01:27:54 - Privacy, Data Harvesting, 210K Packets, Better Products 01:42:54 - Apple Tracking, Erik Prince, Israel Concerns 01:53:54 - Byron Tau, Israel, Pegasus, Kill Switch, Data Wipe 02:05:54 - Nothing Impenetrable, UpPhone Experience, Open Source, Deindustrialization 02:15:54 - Assembly in America, $100 Loss Worth It 02:23:54 - CCP Scrutiny, Apple in China, Blurred Platforms 02:38:54 - Innovate, Apple Grave Digging, Tim Cook, Ad Cartel 02:49:54 - Be Ready, Unrestricted Warfare, Consumer Decisions, Ad Data Deck 02:59:54 - Tradeoff, AI in Harvesting, Real vs Fake, Research Aid 03:09:54 - AI Relationships, LLM Risks, Catastrophes & Inventions 03:15:04 - Joe's work OTHER JDP EPISODES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: - Episode 148 - Shawn Ryan: https://youtu.be/ib4atmvMqlk?si=iw3Rc5MUkBhiUpoe - Episode 238 - Taylor Cavanaugh: https://youtu.be/6zsj2CHonQk - Episode 305 - Erik Prince: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o5tlrYEmpQ CREDITS: - Host, Editor & Producer: Julian Dorey - COO, Producer & Editor: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@UCyLKzv5fKxGmVQg3cMJJzyQ - In-Studio Producer: Joey Deef - https://www.instagram.com/joeydeef/ Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 339 - Joe Weil Music by Artlist.io

Top Comments (10)

@the666ofit 2025-09-24

I deleted all social media profiles months ago because of security issues and a general dissatisfaction from using them. I'm barely on my phone now at all, even rarely play video games at all and picked up reading again. I feel much better now.

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@JulianDorey 2025-09-24

subscribe so i can buy joe an iphone

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@desmovino 2025-09-24

Just to comment about the Android vs Apple green bubble vs blue bubble thing. I think it's interesting that people can, on one hand, get upset about the color of a text bubble (so much so as to never buy any phone with that OS), but are not upset with the fact that they purchased a $1000+ phone that doesn't let you change the colors of your text messages.

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@jmather670 2025-09-24

Love your channel. It's funny how your talking about being on phones and apps and I'm watching this on my phone when should be working. Lol

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@joshw9736 2025-09-29

Came here for the phone discussion...and that I used to work for apple. The talk on sobriety and recovery hit hard af. Im five plus years sober and in recovery and every word Joe said, I have lived. It's a miracle every time someone ive never met tells my story. This was fantastic.

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@Deb-33-S 2025-09-24

Amazing interview you both! Forty three years sober. My beautiful 33 year old daughter was killed by a drunk driver in 2012. If you’ve taken Step 1, God will carry you through sorrow. Thank you for your vulnerability sharing.

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@Thumper68 2025-09-28

My next phone will be an unplugged phone for multiple reasons before I watched this podcast but another one to add to the list is this man correctly calls our country a Republic! I’m so sick of the brainwashing working on society and the phrase “danger to our democracy”.

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@343DonTL00kAtMe 2025-09-25

This was fantastic. Insightful, thoughtful, and still entertaining. Joe’s heart and love for family was great to see. I have kids who want smart phones, and this podcast really helped me feel heard on some of my concerns. Keep up the great work, both you and Dorey 🤘🏽🙏🏽

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@DavidLeeJr2269 2025-09-24

Congratulations brother. I am eight years sober. A lot of the same backstory a lot of mess ex-wives kids, but I’ve never felt so good and thinking so clearly after getting sober. Thanks. Great podcast.

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@codehardernotsmarter582 2025-09-26

Our family will never buy another iPhone. When these break, we will be purchasing two UP phones.

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