Demis Hassabis: Future of AI, Simulating Reality, Physics and Video Games | Lex Fridman Podcast #475

one of the rare guys in AI that i actually trust

Demis seems incredibly normal and balanced. I always get the sense from other AGI bosses that they want to rule the world. I feel like Demis is actually driven by curiosity and the scientific spirit.

For somone so prodigioulsy talented, Demis is a likeable, modest, seemingly 'normal' character. Highly unusual.

The only guy who is zero bullshit in AI.

Can we get Ilya, Demis and Andrej in the same team

Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep475-sa See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. 0:00 - Episode highlight 1:21 - Introduction 2:06 - Learnable patterns in nature 5:48 - Computation and P vs NP 14:26 - Veo 3 and understanding reality 18:50 - Video games 30:52 - AlphaEvolve 36:53 - AI research 41:17 - Simulating a biological organism 46:00 - Origin of life 52:15 - Path to AGI 1:03:01 - Scaling laws 1:06:17 - Compute 1:09:04 - Future of energy 1:13:00 - Human nature 1:17:54 - Google and the race to AGI 1:35:53 - Competition and AI talent 1:42:27 - Future of programming 1:48:53 - John von Neumann 1:58:07 - p(doom) 2:02:50 - Humanity 2:05:56 - Consciousness and quantum computation 2:12:06 - David Foster Wallace 2:19:20 - Education and research *Transcript:* https://lexfridman.com/demis-hassabis-2-transcript *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact *EPISODE LINKS:* Demis's X: https://x.com/demishassabis DeepMind's X: https://x.com/GoogleDeepMind DeepMind's Instagram: https://instagram.com/GoogleDeepMind DeepMind's Website: https://deepmind.google/ Gemini's Website: https://gemini.google.com/ Isomorphic Labs: https://isomorphiclabs.com/ The MANIAC (book): https://amzn.to/4lOXJ81 Life Ascending (book): https://amzn.to/3AhUP7z *SPONSORS:* To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: *Hampton:* Community for high-growth founders and CEOs. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/hampton-ep475-sa *Fin:* AI agent for customer service. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/fin-ep475-sa *Shopify:* Sell stuff online. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep475-sa *LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep475-sa *AG1:* All-in-one daily nutrition drink. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/ag1-ep475-sa

I'm disappointed that Musk and Altman jumped ship because they didn't want Demis to be the one in charge of AGI; he is really the only one of them I'd trust at the helm

I AM BUZZZING FOR THIS. WE'VE GOT DEMIS HASSABIS!!!

Demis might be one of the smartest men in the world: multi-disciplined and able to navigate a sea of knowledge with ease. It's a joy to listen to him, thanks Lex

Demis is such a treat to listen to, what a guy. We’re lucky to have him as one of our fellow humans