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$30B Founder: SEO is Dead.. Do This Instead

2025-09-15 Entertainment
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My First Million
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Mastering Marketing Evolution: From SEO to AEO for AI Domination

Learn the playbook for ranking in ChatGPT by applying proven decade-old strategies adapted for artificial intelligence search engines. Dharmesh Shah reveals how to master the emerging discipline of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) to capture discovery traffic now.

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  • Capture market share by deliberately creating industry terminology, as HubSpot did with "Inbound Marketing."
  • Prioritize massive, consistent execution ("intensity") over finding the single perfect strategic move.
  • Adapt immediately for AEO: AI search is leading to a 20–40% decline in traditional organic SEO traffic.
  • Structure content precisely as Q&A to reduce friction for AI summarization and gain direct citations.

This episode explores the successful history of category creation, starting with HubSpot’s pioneering of Inbound Marketing, to understand the tectonic shift occurring in search behavior. We extract actionable guidance on optimizing your content for Answer Engines (AEO) to ensure your business gets discovered when users bypass traditional Google search for direct LLM answers.

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*Want to rank #1 in ChatGPT? Get the Prompt Library:* https://clickhubspot.com/dbm Get HubSpot's new Loop playbook here: https://clickhubspot.com/cd63b7 Episode 745: Sam Parr ( https://x.com/theSamParr ) and Shaan Puri ( https://x.com/ShaanVP ) talk to Dharmesh Shah about the early days of SEO and how to jack the algorithm today to show up in ChatGPT responses. — Show Notes: (0:00) The origin of inbound (15:55) Algorithm jacking (22:43) Old Way: SEO (32:45) New Way: AEO (36:21) Step 1: Enable chatbot crawlers (37:55) Step 2: Restructure your content as Q&A (39:05) Step 3: White hat linking (43:44) Step 4: Structured product catalogues (44:27)Step 5: Human generated answered (46:57) How Dharmesh goes from 0 to 1 (52:26) How Dharmesh uses ChatGPT (59:30) The sport of business — Links: • Inbound - http://inbound.com/ • On Startups - https://www.onstartups.com/ • ClickFunnels - https://www.clickfunnels.com/ • Loop Marketing - https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing • ImageGen.ai - https://imagegen.ai/imagegen • DadJoke.ai - https://agent.ai/agent/dadjoke • Agent.ai - https://agent.ai/ — Check Out Shaan's Stuff: • Shaan's weekly email - https://www.shaanpuri.com • Visit https://www.somewhere.com/mfm to hire worldwide talent like Shaan and get $500 off for being an MFM listener. Hire developers, assistants, marketing pros, sales teams and more for 80% less than US equivalents. • Mercury - Need a bank for your company? Go check out Mercury (mercury.com). Shaan uses it for all of his companies! Mercury is a financial technology company, not an FDIC-insured bank. Banking services provided by Choice Financial Group, Column, N.A., and Evolve Bank & Trust, Members FDIC — Check Out Sam's Stuff: • Hampton - https://www.joinhampton.com/ • Ideation Bootcamp - https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/ • Copy That - https://copythat.com • Hampton Wealth Survey - https://joinhampton.com/wealth • Sam’s List - http://samslist.co/ My First Million is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by HubSpot Media // Production by Arie Desormeaux // Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano

Top Comments (10)

@shreenathnishad1953 2025-09-15

Dharmesh videos do not need title. Just drop a video title “Dharmesh” and we still listen to him

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@MyFirstMillionPod 2025-09-15

*Want to rank #1 in ChatGPT? Get the Prompt Library:* https://clickhubspot.com/dhs

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@michaellejeune9985 2025-09-15

Hold on. There's a second page to Google search 🤔

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@Eamo-21 2025-09-16

he's 100% correct about vibe coding. If you don't know what you're doing and it anything non-trivial you'll box yourself into a corner. Fantastic tool in the right hands.

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@MatijaGrcic 2025-09-18

Dance like no-one is watching, build like everyone is waiting.

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@gauravnagpal3123 2025-09-16

Even the watch strap is orange !! Dharmesh !

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@xoze5 2025-09-16

Dharmesh + long form = instant click

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@thinkingthrough 2025-10-25

(FEEDBACK FOR TEAM) this was more host talking and less guest talking. Need more of guest videos.

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@simonj9945 2025-09-15

Dude, if Dharmesh ever started working out, he'd become an absolute legend in fitness in no time. Dharmesh's Sam Sulek arc would be legendary.

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@maple_john 2025-09-25

Darmesh goating "we never put HubSpot in any event or media names especially during conferences" and as in hearing this I am reading a watermark in bottom right of video saying " ... HubSpot Media" hahahahaha

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