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The Chilling Reality of the Forever War | Is This Humanity's Future?

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The engagement of the United States' in the Vietnam War followed the end of World War II in Asia in 1945. Initially the US had minimal involvement but this would change overtime. Over the following decades the US’s involvement increased dramatically. The height of U.S. military engagement in Vietnam was in the spring of 1969, with nearly 550,000 American troops on the ground in the country. By the time the United States was done, in March 1973, over 3 million American citizens had served in Vietnam. Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein was first published in November of 1959. Since then the book has gone on to be praised by some, and criticized by many for its portrayal and some would say glorification of war and the militarization of humanity. The Forever War by Joe Halderman, written 1974, was created as a response to Starship Troopers. It includes staunchly anti war themes, relating to the pointlessness and cruelty of it all. These were of course not the only two works of science fiction by that time to have themes surrounding warfare and the military. Alfred Bester’s 1956 book “The Stars My Destination” though more of a revenge story involves significant conflict and military elements. HG Wells also included elements of warfare and military style conflicts in his works including his most famous 1898’s War of the Worlds. Phillip Francis Nowlan’s 1928 novel, “Armageddon 2419 AD” explores themes of survival and resistance in a post-apocalyptic world, and the fight against imperialism and colonialism. Joe Haldeman's "The Forever War" drew inspiration not just from earlier science fiction, during and before the New Wave, but also significantly from his own military service.Haldeman was drafted into the United States Army in 1967 he served as combat engineer in the Vietnam War. His time in the military as well as the sense of alienation he experienced upon returning to America was the inspiration for this novel. The Forever War explores the sense of alienation often felt by war veterans upon returning home, and the sense that time is slipping away, that emerges when people spend so much time away from home, protecting the ones they love from a distance, only to come back and realize that the world has moved on without them. Joe Haldeman uses a sci-fi universe, containing elements like time dilation, in order to drive these themes and ideas home. The Forever War is the story of the brutal and long lasting war between Humanity and a race of Alien beings known as the Taurans. The Forever War has long been considered a masterwork of science fiction, and I agree, it deserves its legacy. It is also a highly influential work in science fiction and has left its mark on the genre in a significant way. There are certain aspects of the novel that come across as dated, and we’ll get into those later, but in general the forever war was a great read, and its core ideas are presented very well. Keep in mind, this video will have spoilers for the Forever War. 👽 Please consider supporting this channel on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ideasoficeandfire or PAYPAL - https://paypal.me/QuinnsIdeas?locale.x=en_US 🎨 Art & Sources: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fxgVaY5PxzXNsrXisIhEIF6c0FrUsuCvQP0etIDuc3Y/edit?usp=sharing 🖼️ Thumbnail: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/gxkLe 🎵 Music: https://www.youtube.com/@JamezDahlMusic 📚 Get These Books! Affiliate link* https://amzn.to/3A1FrOm Quinn's Discord: https://discord.gg/uGx4WsjVCZ FOLLOW QUINN ON TWITTER: Twitter: https://twitter.com/IDEASOFICE_FIRE I NOW HAVE A SUBREDDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/IdeasofIceandFire/ Quinn's New Graphic Novel: https://www.quinnhoward.net/theliebehindthestar Buy Quinn's Comic Books: https://www.quinnhoward.net/shop Quinn's Website: https://www.quinnhoward.net Like me on Facebook!: https://www.facebook.com/IOIAF 🎥 Mentioned Videos 🎬 Other Playlist Three-Body Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRXGGVBzHLUfIzEhovpQJ2ENiNvJoOD2A H.P. Lovecraft Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRXGGVBzHLUcMoc_ZljrDbgrRi3x_CLYD Hyperion Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRXGGVBzHLUfgKLf-CBr5VCC2xM0qX8Xh Dune Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRXGGVBzHLUdsgN_vFaZmfjc6bXxPqajV Foundation Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRXGGVBzHLUeQMsBkZJ72aIIG8nR-No6J Feel free to leave a comment like and subscribe! Thanks For Watching!

Top Comments (10)

@turtlemerk 2024-07-27

When I came back from Afghanistan, at 3am I flew into Boston and was greeted by a group of Vietnam vets saluting and shaking our hands. These vets told us they wanted to make sure no soldier came home ungreeted like they were. It made me cry then and it makes me cry now. Edit: apparently my story is controversial. No I don't agree with everything that happened in Afghanistan, I joined as a medic to help people and that's what I did. I have love in my heart for every race and religion anyone who ended up on my table was treated to the best of my abilities. I am a single human who's belief can and did disagree with my government. I shared this story because I thought it was relevant to the topic of the video. You want to try to hold me accountable for my government's position. I suppose that's your prerogative or you could ask questions and I will share my honest opinion and feelings about my time and experiences.

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@nobody8717 2024-07-27

Actually, we in the industrial complex prefer the term "Sustainable War" as it is more accurate to our long-term goals.

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@sunniedunbar6889 2024-07-27

There was a serious brain drain too. Soldiers needed to be smarter due to the conditions of a war in space. Our smartest sent off to die.

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@thenight527 2024-07-27

"In the grim Darkness of the far future, there is only war."

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@xPantsMcGeex 2024-07-30

Fry: "I heard one time you single-handedly defeated a horde of rampaging somethings in the something something system" Brannigan: "Killbots? A trifle. It was simply a matter of outsmarting them." Fry: "Wow, I never would've thought of that." Brannigan: "You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."

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@xtremeranger30 2024-07-27

Little tidbit is Heinlein loved reading the Forever War and personally congratulated Haldeman receiving his Nebula award.

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@mencken8 2025-01-25

The best thing about The Forever War is that it is two books for the price of one: Book #1- the Hugo Award winning science fiction novel. Book #2- a powerful allegory about aging, for as we age, our world is gradually taken from us, just as it was for Mandella, with his repeated deployments through the collapsars. One of my favorites!

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@samius01 2024-08-07

A Frankie Boyle joke was stuck in my head for most of this video. "American foreign policy is horrendous 'cause not only will America come to your country and kill all your people, but what's worse, I think, is that they'll come back 20 years later and make a movie about how killing your people made their soldiers feel sad."

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@walkerthurman4437 2025-11-05

10:39 I know this isn’t what you meant but the idea that Einstein CREATED relativity is really funny to me. Like time worked different before this funny German guy had a cool idea.

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@Zupfgeigenhansl 2025-02-03

The Forever War graphic novel is also magnificent. The artwork at 17:10 actually is from that.

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