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How Two Movies Prevented Nuclear War with Neil deGrasse Tyson

2023-11-16 Science & Technology
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How did movies change the Cold War? Neil deGrasse Tyson and Chuck Nice learn about how apocalyptic films influenced us and began the first cybersecurity measures with Future of Life Award recipients and filmmakers Lawrence Lasker, Walter Parkes, and Nicholas Meyer. How did a movie about a high school kid accidentally hacking into NORAD start government talks about cyber security? Learn about how the 1983 movie, WarGames, impacted Ronald Reagan's approach to the Cold War. Find out about the Future of Life Award and how it works to recognize people and projects that served a pivotal role in protecting humanity in the past. We discuss examples of when pop culture has affected policy and the origins of cybersecurity. We talk about nuclear weapons, researching for a screenplay, and whether AI should have the final say when it comes to weapons of mass destruction. Is there a movie that should be made today that has to be made? Next, we talk with director Nicholas Meyer about his TV movie The Day After, which illustrated to the 100 million Americans who tuned in what the day after a nuclear strike would look like in America. How did Nicholas reject traditional filmmaking in order to bring the film's lesson home? Learn about how Reagan’s approach to the Cold War as winnable changed and the public reception of this television event. How did a project like this even get a primetime slot on network TV? We explore the genre of apocalyptic films and the important lessons we can learn from them. Thanks to our PatronsKaleda Davis, Saúl Franco, Jake Egli, Josh Rolstad, Roxanne Landin, jamie brutnell, and Bailey Manasco for supporting us this week. NOTE: StarTalk+ Patrons can listen to this entire episode commercial-free. Get the NEW StarTalk book, 'To Infinity and Beyond: A Journey of Cosmic Discovery' on Amazon: https://amzn.to/3PL0NFn Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/startalkradio FOLLOW or SUBSCRIBE to StarTalk: Twitter: http://twitter.com/startalkradio Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StarTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/startalk About StarTalk: Science meets pop culture on StarTalk! Astrophysicist & Hayden Planetarium director Neil deGrasse Tyson, his comic co-hosts, guest celebrities & scientists discuss astronomy, physics, and everything else about life in the universe. Keep Looking Up! #StarTalk #NeildeGrasseTyson Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction: Preserving Civilization 02:20 - Creating WarGames 7:20 - Don’t Play with Thermonuclear War 9:00 - The Future of Life Award 11:51 - Cold War & Screening for Reagan 14:43 - The Beginning of Cybersecurity 19:25 - Technology Run Amuck 21:20 - AI, Innovation, & Launch Codes 26:22 - What Movie Needs to be Made? 32:18 - “The Day After” & Understanding The Cold War 36:50 - Making “The Day After” 41:40 - The Impact & Geopolitics of the Film 46:13 - Controversy & Getting to Primetime 50:13 - Telling Apocalyptic Stories 53:30 - Final Thoughts

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@uypstudio 2023-11-17

Great quote "The dumbest thing about nuclear weapons is that they cannot be used"

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@marilyndrury513 2023-11-16

"Threads" was a film made in the UK in the early 80's along the same lines as The Day After. I would say it was equally if not more disturbing. That one hit me on even a deeper level. By the way, Ted Turner had to pay money out of his own pocket to get it shown in the US.

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@Adam13Chalmers 2023-11-17

Always loved the opening of War Games where one of the humans won't turn his key. Fun Fact - The two actors in the chairs in that scene...Michael Madsen (Reservoir Dogs), and John Spencer (famously, Chief of Staff, Leo McGarry on the West Wing!). War Games is a absolutely packed with talent!!

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@mathew00 2023-11-20

Dear Dr Tyson, I just want you to know how much you mean to me. You are an awesome person who contributes so much to this world. Thank you for all that you do! It's an honor to be alive at the same time you are.

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@StarTalk 2023-11-16

Learn more about the 2023 Future of Life Award winners: https://futureoflife.org/fla-award/future-of-life-award-2023/

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@intrepidviewer 2023-12-31

The Day After had such a profound effect on me. I still remember scenes from this film is exact detail. This was an excellent episode. Thank you.

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@OmniphonProductions 2023-11-21

Regarding the importance of storytelling, I have said for years that Science and History _should be_ the most engaging classes in school _because_ they are so full of amazing stories. Unfortunately, most Science and History classes in K-12 are taught more like Statistics classes. "On this date, this person, did this." Boring! We live...and think...in narrative form! The thing my children and I loved so much about _Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey_ was that it told the _stories_ of discovery and _how_ our knowledge developed over time. The more we can _humanize_ the lessons...as opposed to _sterilizing_ them...the more effectively the lessons will _stick,_ and the more hope there will be for the future.

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@EmpyreanLightASMR 2023-11-26

Spies Like Us isn't exactly a frightening movie, but it does have a frightening moment, when General Sline (I think his name is lol) says, "A weapon unused is a useless weapon." It's one of my favorite comedies and I don't want to spoil it, but it's definitely aware of our tensions with the Soviet Union.

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@Lori-PAX 2023-11-17

I have never recovered from watching The Day After. As an Australian, On The Beach brought the Apocalypse to our shores.

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@Oct8pus 2023-11-17

Who else just put War Games on their watchlist?

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