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DHH IS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING (Again)?

2025-06-06 Science & Technology
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πŸ”— Sponsored by Code Rabbit https://coderabbit.link/primeagen-vscode βΈ» πŸŽ“ Is College Still Worth It in 2025? Welcome to The Standup – where developers, creators, and founders debate the big questions. In this episode, we sit down with David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH), the creator of Ruby on Rails and Basecamp co-founder. πŸ‘‰ Is College Worth It in 2025? We dive deep into: ⏳ The ROI of college in a post-AI world πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Why American higher ed is broken (from a Danish POV) πŸ“‰ Are CS degrees still worth $250K? πŸ’Έ The myth of the β€œfour-year luxury cruise” πŸ€– How AI is disrupting the junior dev job market πŸ” Hiring: Is college even a useful signal anymore? 🧠 IQ vs wisdom vs vibes – what really matters in hiring 🧰 Is programming a trade? Should we move to apprenticeships? πŸ‘¨β€πŸŒΎ Why every dev wants to be a farmer (and why that’s delusional) Whether you’re considering college, hiring devs, or already knee-deep in student debt, this conversation pulls no punches and may just change how you think about education, hiring, and the future of software development. βΈ» πŸ“Œ Chapters: 0:00 intro 2:05 is college still worth it in 2025? 5:48 the cost of college in the U.S. vs Europe 6:57 sponsor: CodeRabbit 7:42 good point 9:10 DHH explains the Danish education system 13:02 is college just a luxury cruise? 17:45 what are you actually buying with a degree? 21:20 how companies *really* hire developers 26:11 Casey’s take: programming should be a trade 30:40 is college a filter for IQ or just vibes? 45:50 what skills matter more than a degree 49:20 how to actually learn to code in 2025 53:00 is college redeemable? final thoughts 57:15 wrap-up & what’s next on the podcast βΈ» πŸ“’ Subscribe for more honest convos about dev life, startups, and tech culture. 🧠 Hit the bell so you don’t miss the next one. #IsCollegeWorthIt #DHH #CaseyMuratori #DeveloperPodcast #SoftwareEngineering #TechPodcast #BootcampVsCollege #ProgrammerLife #TechCareers #TheStartupPodcast

Top Comments (10)

@BonkinBonuts 2025-06-06

Not one single class in my CS degree taught me how to be condescending on Stackoverflow, absolute waste of time.

817 17 replies
@CrazyDanTHEMinecrafter 2025-06-06

Unemployment got me to view this in first 1 min of upload

561 17 replies
@tropictiger2387 2025-06-06

Cassey and DHH on the same podcast? You are spoiling us.

471 4 replies
@adaniel2929 2025-06-06

The fact DHH gets interrupted by an AI code review sponsor made me laugh out loud.

208 1 replies
@m4rt_ 2025-06-06

Only 5 minutes in an DHH is doing one hell of a monologue.

113 1 replies
@linkarzu 2025-06-06

"and ship cleaner code, today" I guess that was required by the sponsor πŸ˜‚ Love you prime

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@NoThanks-b4u 2025-06-08

Industry wants you to have debt. An employee in debt is motivated to do a job they don't want to do.

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@davidiancrux 2025-06-06

I tell people that university was originally for the higher things, but the university institution has almost entirely reneged on that duty, selling itself as a job training/ expertise approving institution. But many many people show you don’t even need something like that to be successful, and many many people who go through it do not obtain almost ANY skills. I'm willing to bet someone who works hard and solves problems all day can pursue the higher things on their own time, as was historically done.

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@DevJaco 2025-06-07

Dream team. So nice to see DHH and Casey together in the podcast

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@davidsullivan4449 2025-06-07

What Prime was talking about and minute 35 is also a problem with university exams. If you're a person who really wants to understand the subject matter, you won't do well at the end-of-semester exams because what you're supposed to do is study the past exams, and just know how to do the problems without really understanding. I didn't find the magic of past exams until my third year of university, up until then, I thought I was stupid. Now, i know I was stupid for not finding them in the first year.

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