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The Moment That SHOCKED the Studio - Dr. Helen Webberley vs Andrew Gold

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Plaud Note & NotePin: UK: https://bit.ly/3K7jDGm US: https://bit.ly/4a0tUie. Amazon (20% off til Dec 1): https://amzn.to/4hQVyAm Disclaimer: Just to clarify, Stella O’Malley is a highly respected psychotherapist whose work with children and families speaks for itself and any suggestion otherwise was inaccurate. The comment has been removed. In this explosive debate episode of Heretics, Andrew sits down with Dr. Helen Webberley, one of the most controversial figures in the transgender healthcare world, for a brutally honest, high-stakes conversation about sex, gender, science, identity, mental health, and the limits of self-identification. Find Dr. Helen Webberley here: https://x.com/HelenWebberley From the opening question — “Is a trans woman a woman?” — the discussion dives into the heart of today’s most polarising cultural conflict. Dr. Webberley defends her position with conviction, arguing that being transgender is not a mental illness, while Andrew challenges the logic behind gender identity, the distinction between sex and gender, and whether ideologies around self-identification can withstand scientific scrutiny. The debate covers everything from whether transgender people are “real,” to comparisons with anorexia, to whether someone could “identify as a table,” to the emotional and ethical concerns around treating children, puberty blockers, detransitioners, medical evidence, and why so many celebrities have trans-identifying kids. At moments deeply uncomfortable, at moments shockingly frank, this episode exposes the core disagreements shaping the modern gender debate — and does so without cutting corners. If you want to understand the arguments, the science, the accusations of pseudoscience, the worldview differences, and why this conversation is tearing society apart, this is the episode to watch. A fearless conversation at the edge of culture, medicine, and truth. Chapters: 0:00 Dr. Helen Webberley Highlights 2:00 Who Is Dr. Helen Webberley? 4:00 The Birth of Gender GP 7:00 Why Dr. Webberly Speaks To The Other Side 8:00 What Is A Woman? 10:50 Why Can’t We Just Say Effeminate Man? 13:00 Why Can’t Andrew Identify As A Table? 15:30 Mental Illness? 18:00 Isn’t This Out-Dated And Sexist? 21:00 Huge Decisions Based On ‘We Don’t Know’ 23:45 The Anorexia Comparison 26:00 Is This A Mental Illness? 27:30 The Gay Argument 30:00 Are Trans Women Actually Women? 33:00 Sexual Preferences… 36:00 Pseudoscience 39:00 ‘Countless’ Detransitioners, Ritchie Herron & Blaire White 45:00 What Is A Woman (Again) 48:00 Religion vs Gender 50:30 Mental Illness (Again again) 53:00 How Can An 11 Year Old Know! 55:30 Munchhausen Parents Discussion 57:00 No Evidence In Favour of Puberty Blockers? 1:00:00 Why Do So Many Celebs Have Trans Kids? 1:03:00 Dr. Webberly Convicted For This 1:05:00 Does She Have ANY Doubt? 1:07:00 Are Men Scary? 1:12:20 A Heretic Dr. Webberly Admires #GenderDebate #TransDiscussion #HereticsPodcast

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@nicolamcfarlane1 2025-11-23

The fact she didn’t learn about it at medical school was her first clue.

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@oldbrodleiansrufc-vbb1598 2025-11-24

Brilliant episode. I grew up as an absolutely feral tomboy — football, cricket, scraped knees, climbing anything with a branch. A teacher even told me to pretend my name was Paul so I could play in the boys’ team, and another cheerfully announced I ‘should have been born a boy’. And I believed them. I prayed for it. Then I hit 13, grew up, grew into myself, and eventually ended up modelling and loving being a woman. Not because anything ‘changed’, but because childhood isn’t a fixed identity — it’s a rehearsal room. Listening to this conversation, I realise how easily a kid like I was could be funnelled into a narrative that would have rewritten my entire life. Tomboy does not equal trans. Non-conformity doesn’t require a prescription. Sometimes girls are just… girls — powerful, awkward, brilliant ones who refuse to stay in the box adults build for them.

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@victoriaevans4841 2025-11-24

a doctor calling testicles "those dangly bits" tells me all i need to know

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@Rosieblue111 2025-11-23

So it’s cruel to mock people with surgically created genitals but not cruel to lie to children and prescribe hormones that there are no long term studies on, or to cut off people’s genitals putting them at high risk of dangerous and debilitating complications for the rest of their lives? What planet are we on again? This woman is absolutely insane .

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@AliSkarsgard 2025-11-23

Andrew, towards the end of this she spoke of her ‘heretic’ her first client, which was A CHILD…A 12 yr old CHILD. There are so many levels of abhorrent wrongs here I cannot begin to start.

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@jonsmum5552 2025-11-23

I don’t identify as woman. I am biologically a female. Society recognises I’m a woman. No woman ever needs to say I’m a woman.

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@heidi-r4w 2025-11-25

I'm terrified that a doctor can lose all sense of medical science after meeting 1 trans person.

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@andrewgoldheretics 2025-11-22

Plaud Note & NotePin: UK: https://bit.ly/3K7jDGm US: https://bit.ly/4a0tUie. Amazon (20% off til Dec 1): https://amzn.to/4hQVyAm Be honest...who made stronger points in the debate? Did you agree with some of Dr. Webberley's points? Hit like, sub and comment - in return, I give to thee...the timestamps!: 0:00 Dr. Helen Webberley Highlights 2:00 Who Is Dr. Helen Webberley? 4:00 The Birth of Gender GP 7:00 Why Dr. Webberly Speaks To The Other Side 8:00 What Is A Woman? 10:50 Why Can’t We Just Say Effeminate Man? 13:00 Why Can’t Andrew Identify As A Table? 15:30 Mental Illness? 18:00 Isn’t This Out-Dated And Sexist? 21:00 Huge Decisions Based On ‘We Don’t Know’ 23:45 The Anorexia Comparison 26:00 Is This A Mental Illness? 27:30 The Gay Argument 30:00 Are Trans Women Actually Women? 33:00 Sexual Preferences… 36:00 Pseudoscience 39:00 ‘Countless’ Detransitioners, Ritchie Herron & Blaire White 45:00 What Is A Woman (Again) 48:00 Religion vs Gender 50:30 Mental Illness (Again again) 53:00 How Can An 11 Year Old Know! 55:30 Munchhausen Parents Discussion & Stella O’Malley 57:00 No Evidence In Favour of Puberty Blockers? 1:00:00 Why Do So Many Celebs Have Trans Kids? 1:03:00 Dr. Webberly Convicted For This 1:05:00 Does She Have ANY Doubt? 1:07:00 Are Men Scary? 1:12:20 A Heretic Dr. Webberly Admires

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@seana2680 2025-12-12

I have never ever seen someone contradict themselves again and again and again and yet be so utterly certain they are correct. Extraordinary.

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@maltlickymalitia4809 2025-12-26

If this is your doctor, find a knew one.

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