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Spider-Man 4 Hype and the Tipping Point for the MCU Box Office State
Analyze how ambitious practical stunts in Spider-Man 4 contrast with Marvel’s current box office struggles and debate if Spidey can restore the franchise's event status.
Short Summary
- Marvel faces a brand decline, evidenced by Thunderbolts failing to profit and Fantastic Four struggling despite good scores.
- The overall cinema box office has dipped post-pandemic, making billion-dollar expectations unfair for most films, including superhero ones.
- Phenomenon films like Barbie, Oppenheimer, and Lilo & Stitch succeeded through bold directorial vision or familiarity, which Marvel currently lacks outside of tentpoles.
- Spider-Man 4 set leaks—featuring practical swinging and strong character integration (Punisher, Hulk)—signal a return to event cinema focus centered firmly on Spider-Man.
- Hosts propose Marvel must reduce budgets and play successful "hits" until they can safely reintroduce new characters or regain pre-Endgame audience urgency.
This discussion dissects Marvel's current box office optics, arguing that while the entire theater market is struggling, the superhero genre specifically shows signs of burnout. The hosts examine set details and rumors for Spider-Man 4 as a potential remedy, contrasting it with recent perceived soft launches from Marvel and exploring what successful, non-superhero blockbusters achieved this year.
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Top Comments (10)
can we please stop "the MCU is dead, MCU is back" clickbait 😭
Coy is on point with his criticism of how people talk about movies. Online culture and narratives really seem to shape lots of things. Then you will see comments of people saying “I actually liked said film, I wish I would have saw it in theaters”.
Marvel didn't have that many billion dollar movies. Why expect End Game numbers every time?
I don't understand the doomerism around Marvel... about whether or not they can "come back".. not everything has to be Endgame, Marvel doesn't NEED to be where it was in terms of its box office results
I went to see Fantastic Four at 10pm on a Tuesday night and the theater was almost completely full. Social media skews everyone's perception
I say this with all the reverence in the world for content creators....but have we ever considered that the presence of YouTube in the space of superhero films and television, may be part of the problem? Channels like Screen Crush, Heavy Spoilers, New Rockstars, Everything Always, Emergency Awesome, etc. make their living off of dissecting leaked and prerelease content, to the point where large percentages of these movies plots and characters are known well in advance of a film's release. Obviously there are exceptions here, and nuance is required, but part of the problem here, may be that excitement for comic book films wain, when we know so much about a movie before we see it. That, along with less casual fans going to the movies and Marvel making fans feel like homework is required for opening day understanding, seem to lead to not only poor box office, but generally confusion surrounding said box office performance. Im not trying to say this problem has a singular cause, because it appears to be multi-pronged. You have to acknowledge, however, that knowing so much about Fantastic Four's plot, characters, and possible greater MCU ties a year in advance, can have an effect on viewer anticipation and expectation. Those effects may be bigger than you think.
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The most under reported box office story is China post-COVID. It was the 2nd biggest territory and simply isn’t for superhero films now. No Way Home made $17 million in Hong Kong. In 2018 Venom and Aquaman both made almost $300 million alone in China. Rebirth has made $75 million and Dominion made $157 million in China. The numbers just aren’t close to the same now.
Stich is actually one of the most sold toys / character ever at Disney. Even before the movie, I have a little cousin who is 8 in France who is obsessed with Stich. That’s why Stich did so well, people love him too this day.
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Top Comments (10)
can we please stop "the MCU is dead, MCU is back" clickbait 😭
Coy is on point with his criticism of how people talk about movies. Online culture and narratives really seem to shape lots of things. Then you will see comments of people saying “I actually liked said film, I wish I would have saw it in theaters”.
Marvel didn't have that many billion dollar movies. Why expect End Game numbers every time?
I don't understand the doomerism around Marvel... about whether or not they can "come back".. not everything has to be Endgame, Marvel doesn't NEED to be where it was in terms of its box office results
I went to see Fantastic Four at 10pm on a Tuesday night and the theater was almost completely full. Social media skews everyone's perception
I say this with all the reverence in the world for content creators....but have we ever considered that the presence of YouTube in the space of superhero films and television, may be part of the problem? Channels like Screen Crush, Heavy Spoilers, New Rockstars, Everything Always, Emergency Awesome, etc. make their living off of dissecting leaked and prerelease content, to the point where large percentages of these movies plots and characters are known well in advance of a film's release. Obviously there are exceptions here, and nuance is required, but part of the problem here, may be that excitement for comic book films wain, when we know so much about a movie before we see it. That, along with less casual fans going to the movies and Marvel making fans feel like homework is required for opening day understanding, seem to lead to not only poor box office, but generally confusion surrounding said box office performance. Im not trying to say this problem has a singular cause, because it appears to be multi-pronged. You have to acknowledge, however, that knowing so much about Fantastic Four's plot, characters, and possible greater MCU ties a year in advance, can have an effect on viewer anticipation and expectation. Those effects may be bigger than you think.
53:58 Hot take: YouTube is hurting movies by over analyzing the crap out of every trailer and leak…people aren’t as hyped to see the actual movie
Swing Over To That *LIKE* & *SUBSCRIBE* Button 👉 https://www.youtube.com/user/TheReelRejects?sub_confirmation=1 - Visit https://huel.com/rejects to get 15% off your order - Become A Righteous Reject By Grabbing One Of Our *RR* Teess! https://www.rejectnationshop.com/
The most under reported box office story is China post-COVID. It was the 2nd biggest territory and simply isn’t for superhero films now. No Way Home made $17 million in Hong Kong. In 2018 Venom and Aquaman both made almost $300 million alone in China. Rebirth has made $75 million and Dominion made $157 million in China. The numbers just aren’t close to the same now.
Stich is actually one of the most sold toys / character ever at Disney. Even before the movie, I have a little cousin who is 8 in France who is obsessed with Stich. That’s why Stich did so well, people love him too this day.