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DeepSeek Panic, US vs China, OpenAI $40B?, and Doge Delivers with Travis Kalanick and David Sacks

2025-01-31 Entertainment
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(0:00) The Besties intro Travis Kalanick! (2:11) Travis breaks down the future of food and the state of CloudKitchens (13:34) Sacks breaks in! (15:38) DeepSeek panic: What's real, training innovation, China, impact on markets and the AI industry (50:14) US vs China in AI, the Singapore backdoor (1:01:51) OpenAI reportedly in talks to raise ~$40B with Masa as the lead investor (1:10:37) DOGE's first 10 days (1:25:13) Future of Self Driving: Uber, Waymo, Tesla (1:38:04) Fed holds rates steady, how DOGE can impact rate cuts (1:44:17) Fatal DC plane crash Follow Travis: https://x.com/travisk Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1/blob/main/DeepSeek_R1.pdf https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/chinese-company-trained-gpt-4-rival-with-just-2-000-gpus-01-ai-spent-usd3m-compared-to-openais-usd80m-to-usd100m https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/27/nvidia-sheds-almost-600-billion-in-market-cap-biggest-drop-ever.html https://x.com/shrihacker/status/1884414667503853749 https://x.com/balajis/status/1884975064283812270 https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2025/01/29/meta-platforms-meta-q4-2024-earnings-call-transcri https://x.com/mrexits/status/1885017400308806121 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-sp500-nasdaq-live-01-28-2025/card/deepseek-s-ai-learned-from-chatgpt-trump-s-ai-czar-says-LoCYvz2Lm0riS0AuEoB5 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/why-distillation-has-become-the-scariest-wordfor-ai-companies-aa146ae3 https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/27/why-deepseeks-new-ai-model-thinks-its-chatgpt https://x.com/rauchg/status/1875627666113740892 https://www.ft.com/content/a0dfedd1-5255-4fa9-8ccc-1fe01de87ea6 https://x.com/satyanadella/status/1883753899255046301 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox https://x.com/pitdesi/status/1883192498274873513 https://x.com/rihardjarc/status/1884263865703358726 https://x.com/austen/status/1884444298130674000 https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/30/openai-in-talks-to-raise-up-to-40-billion-at-340-billion-valuation.html https://x.com/america/status/1884372526144598056 https://x.com/DOGE/status/1884396041786524032 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/establishing-and-implementing-the-presidents-department-of-government-efficiency https://x.com/Jason/status/1884671945800573018 https://abcnews.go.com/538/trump-starts-term-weak-approval-rating/story?id=118146633 https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/15/cpi-inflation-december-2024-.html https://x.com/chamath/status/1885068981905875241 #allin #tech #news

Top Comments (10)

@johnjhcoyle 2025-01-31

The way you guys are teasing us with Sacks feels like I’m in a relationship where she keeps messaging me at 2 am and keeps me hooked.

729 15 replies
@ahsanjamil1495 2025-02-01

Never have I loved Jason more than today. Calling out Sam for what he did is exactly the comment that was missing

727 13 replies
@WisdomSeeker808 2025-02-01

39:40 is Jason’s epic statement on having zero pity for OpenAI. Huge respect for Jason on this take

531 7 replies
@josetovar3721 2025-01-31

Just in time for my commute. Thanks guys for all you do

490 8 replies
@brianalanlau 2025-02-01

It was very nice to have Travis with actual experience talking about China. Would love to hear more stories like this

458 5 replies
@caelym 2025-02-01

One of the best discussions on AI development I've listened to in a long time. This and Ray Dalio's interview were absolute bangers.

145 3 replies
@MLayman23 2025-02-04

The search is over, Travis Kalanick needs to be the permanent bestie on All In. He provides in depth analysis, rounds out their expertise, and he keeps Jason in check like David Sacks did.

145 1 replies
@BenKernobi 2025-02-01

The discussion about Cloud Kitchens at the start is pure "Silicon Valley, live in a big city" mentality.

82 1 replies
@naveedfida5746 2025-01-31

What you guys are missing in the "distillation" discussion is that OpenAI has a page about distillation in their API docs. So they do allow and expect their models to be distilled but not for training models that compete directly with their models. As to why Azure wasn't able to prevent it from happening, that's a naive question. Any rate limiting technique is almost trivial to evade if you have the resources, i.e, thousands of Azure accounts.

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@jimd.1188 2025-02-01

Wow..makes food sound as appealing as Soylent green!

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