Why Every Pain Is Equally Mine | Arnold Zuboff
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Top Comments (10)
If you look into the eyes of another human and see yourself.. or you see the whole universe looking back at you.. it becomes difficult to harm them..
Arnold Zuboff argues that what makes an experience “mine” is simply its first-person immediacy — not memory, personality, or bodily continuity. Do you think consciousness ultimately belongs to separate selves, or could there be a deeper sense in which all experience belongs to one subject?
I certainly haven't agreed with every point of view brought out on this channel, but I've always understood what they were saying. Until now.
you must take a lot of aspirin. I have a lot of migraines
I don’t understand why this argument focuses on saying every experience is 'mine.' Universalism doesn’t even start by explaining what consciousness is, and they rely on probabilities to argue this. But even if it’s true, what’s the point? It still doesn’t answer what consciousness is or why it matters in the first place
I think that the creation of unity at every level of existence is a function of the intelligence. Self as a perceptual unity is the body; self as a psychological unity is the soul; self as a cognitive unity is the subject; self as an intellectual unity is the spirit (Atman, Geist, Nus).
Every mind is one of a kind and builds a picture of reality based on our knowledge and experiences. We create the personal "i" to indicate that special sense of individuality. And there will never be another mind just like yours.
I'm going along kinda agreeing with him and then he makes these big non sequitur jumps, like and therefore there is one conscious experience
I am just about logically convinced. What's holding me back from embracing universalism is that I don't really want to believe it. It is horrible if every pain is mine. But then again there is always a way out of every painful experience too including death since it will invariably be followed by rebirth and wonderful experiences before long. So it kind of cancels out, except there is the bugaboo of solipsism at the end of the road which is depressing to believe in, and wasn't the purpose of maya to forget about this loneliness, so why hurry back to believing what I am trying to escape? That too has a silver lining though since a very tiny proportion of conscious beings will believe in universalism or similar "enlightenment" anyway.
Heat is a universal truth
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Top Comments (10)
If you look into the eyes of another human and see yourself.. or you see the whole universe looking back at you.. it becomes difficult to harm them..
Arnold Zuboff argues that what makes an experience “mine” is simply its first-person immediacy — not memory, personality, or bodily continuity. Do you think consciousness ultimately belongs to separate selves, or could there be a deeper sense in which all experience belongs to one subject?
I certainly haven't agreed with every point of view brought out on this channel, but I've always understood what they were saying. Until now.
you must take a lot of aspirin. I have a lot of migraines
I don’t understand why this argument focuses on saying every experience is 'mine.' Universalism doesn’t even start by explaining what consciousness is, and they rely on probabilities to argue this. But even if it’s true, what’s the point? It still doesn’t answer what consciousness is or why it matters in the first place
I think that the creation of unity at every level of existence is a function of the intelligence. Self as a perceptual unity is the body; self as a psychological unity is the soul; self as a cognitive unity is the subject; self as an intellectual unity is the spirit (Atman, Geist, Nus).
Every mind is one of a kind and builds a picture of reality based on our knowledge and experiences. We create the personal "i" to indicate that special sense of individuality. And there will never be another mind just like yours.
I'm going along kinda agreeing with him and then he makes these big non sequitur jumps, like and therefore there is one conscious experience
I am just about logically convinced. What's holding me back from embracing universalism is that I don't really want to believe it. It is horrible if every pain is mine. But then again there is always a way out of every painful experience too including death since it will invariably be followed by rebirth and wonderful experiences before long. So it kind of cancels out, except there is the bugaboo of solipsism at the end of the road which is depressing to believe in, and wasn't the purpose of maya to forget about this loneliness, so why hurry back to believing what I am trying to escape? That too has a silver lining though since a very tiny proportion of conscious beings will believe in universalism or similar "enlightenment" anyway.
Heat is a universal truth