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“I Was Taken By The UFO Program As a Kid!” [Exclusive Interview]

2026-06-16 Science & Technology
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Our American Alchemist this week is Jordan Jozak. Visit Jordan’s website at https://jordanjozak.com/ Helix: Thank you Helix Sleep for sponsoring! Visit https://helixsleep.com/jessemichels to take advantage of their Fourth of July Sale and get 20% Off Sitewide Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code AMERICANALCHEMY at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/americanalchemy MudWtr: Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code JESSE at https://mudwtr.com/JESSE! #mudwtrpod Editor applicants please email us your relevant work at the email address [email protected] Gifted and Talented Education (GATE) in the United States has been systematically used to identify children with anomalous cognitive and “psychic” abilities and funnel them into covert psychic development programs. Jordan Jozak says he was plucked out of a standard GATE test in rural New York at age nine, the start of a years-long grooming process that pulled him out of his school, away from his parents, and eventually into a facility where he was administered substances and subjected to experiments he was never meant to remember. These experiments involved remote viewing, mind-matter interactions (with random event generators), brain mapping using EEG’s and even remote control flight of UFOs or UAP. Jordan also reveals he was shown an ancient archeological object to see if he could mentally interact with it (he was successful). Jozak was quietly pulled from class for years, told he was special for his precocious ability to visualize and empathize; he was meant to tell no one. His teachers were never informed. When he started resisting around the age of twelve, a fabricated mental health diagnosis was used to remove him from public school entirely despite his parents’ own apprehensions. He was placed at Baker Victory Services, a Catholic-affiliated special education facility in Lackawanna County, Western New York, where a segregated part of the building ran a dual-use defense contractor-backed program while the rest served ordinary special education children. Jozak believes MITRE corporation, which is being actively investigated by Congressman Eric Burlison for its role in UFO legacy efforts, was involved in using Baker Victory Services for this experimental research. This was the plot of Stranger Things playing out in reality across America. -------------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! Grab Your American Alchemy Merch Here ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Join The American Alchemy Magazine Here ➤ https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ Subscribe To Our Clips Channel (10 Minute Highlights!) ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@UC8ZKTXN9trt5dhixz6b6l6w -------------------------- JOIN OUR WHOP (Early/Ad Free Episodes) ➤ https://whop.com/jessemichels Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichelsClips Apply For Jobs ➤ [email protected] Sponsor Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 2:55 - Sponsor (Helix Sleep) 4:37 - Guest Intro: Jordan Jozak 10:00 - GATE and Gifted Testing 11:09 - Interactions with Psychologists 16:16 - Stranger Things and the Montauk Comparison 28:12 - ESP Training Begins 37:45 - The Subconscious and Belief 43:11 - Connecting Psi to UFOs 47:46 - The PEAR Lab Data 49:02 - First Encounter with the Relic 52:06 - The Crystal Orb 56:32 - Telepathic Communication 1:03:27 - Esoteric Traditions 1:05:05 - Sponsors (Incogni/MudWtr) 1:07:34 - Piloting UFOs Through Consciousness 1:14:55 - Skywatcher 1:23:17 - Sacred Practices 1:25:57 - Directed Energy 1:27:08 - Crash Retrieval Operations 1:31:15 - The Field Model of Reality 1:32:28 - Extraterrestrial vs Interdimensional 1:43:08 - Boarding School 1:45:45 - MITRE and the Legacy Program 1:50:01 - Project Preserve Destiny 1:54:26 - Andrija Puharich's Space Kids 1:56:39 - Consciousness and Wave Function Collapse 1:59:07 - How Synchronicities Work / Time 2:10:37 - Intentionality 2:15:01 - Hemi-Sync and the Monroe Institute 2:17:14 - An Astral Experience and "Ken" 2:19:40 - Understanding Ourselves 2:23:47 - The Telepathy Center 2:24:15 - Closing Message 2:26:13 - Outro: Editor Job Posting **For the record, we are not claiming GATE or Baker Victory Services are entirely bad organizations. It seems like they were just being used by legacy programs with ulterior motives.

Top Comments (10)

@Intinnent 2026-06-16

At this rate, Jesse will be having the Grays, Reptilian, Nordic, and Mantis debating on the podcast soon

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@jasonolinger7585 2026-06-16

We’re finally getting to the real stuff, nobody would have believed this a year ago.

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@ethereal369 2026-06-17

"Consciousness is the root of disclosure. It's you... *YOU ARE DISCLOSURE* " And therein lies the root of why they've been keeping this from everyone. Because a fully conscious people reclaiming their sovereignty, breaking through a lifetime of carefully maintained programming and enforced limitations becomes an unstoppable, uncontrollable force.

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@theBenels 2026-06-17

Jesse, I just realized something interesting. In many of his interviews, Bob Lazar tells an anecdote that only really makes sense when viewed in light of the testimony presented in this video. Lazar says that while observing a test flight of the Sport Model, there was an operator communicating by radio with the pilot of the craft. But he also points out that this should have been impossible, because the gravitational field generated by the vehicle would have prevented radio signals from passing through from the outside. If that's true, then the implication is quite striking: the radio operator wasn't communicating with someone physically piloting the craft from inside. Instead, they were communicating with someone controlling it remotely. And, if I may speculate, perhaps remotely through consciousness or some form of mental interface. I've started to wonder whether Lazar intentionally avoided stating this conclusion outright, choosing instead to leave clues that point in that direction. After all, it's an extraordinarily difficult idea to accept—even for people who consider themselves open-minded.

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@annemarie6 2026-06-17

I love Jordans message, to stop focusing just on militarised tech aspects, as the real gold here is that all humans to some extent have far more capabilities with psi skills than we understand. And that perhaps UFOS, all of it, are tied to our consciousness and how this connects to the field. It’s a liberating generous open message, that could have far more positive consequences. Loved Jordan’s words! Thanks once again Jesse, your content has become one of the highlights of the week- keep it coming!

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@Totalstudios001 2026-06-17

Jesse, its honestly impressive how on the mark you are. I’ll read or watch something in passing for the first time and then like a month later you will randomly drop the most in depth content on it ever. Its happened repeatedly, your chanel alone is worth what Netflix charges.

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@JesseMichels 2026-06-16

Our American Alchemist this week is Jordan Jozak. Visit Jordan’s website at https://jordanjozak.com/ Helix: Thank you Helix Sleep for sponsoring! Visit https://helixsleep.com/jessemichels to take advantage of their Fourth of July Sale and get 20% Off Sitewide Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code AMERICANALCHEMY at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/americanalchemy MudWtr: Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code JESSE at https://mudwtr.com/JESSE! #mudwtrpod Editor applicants please email us your relevant work at the email address [email protected]

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@Aaron-z1o3j 2026-06-17

This show is like having two Jesse‘s having a conversation with himself.

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@purplekrizoffschannel2015 2026-06-17

I was pulled out of elementary school to counselors and weird testing and my parents were told I was “gifted” and my dad near violently objected and kept me away from their programs. They still pulled me out of classes for weird puzzles and questions for a few years but they stopped before I left elementary school. Life long ufo experiences as well. This is my favorite AA episode of all time and I’m glad it’s getting coverage. Thank you for making these Jessie!

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@HareBra1n3d 2026-06-18

As a jazz musician, this makes sense to me. There’s a state where you are performing while observing yourself. Your consciousness elevates above the mechanics of the fingerings and your awareness is with the music and the musicians you’re playing with and the audience who is listening. Where they talked about every neuron firing at the same time, that’s what a good gig is like. Your brain feels like it’s on fire when you come down after the gig.

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