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What are we scaling?

2025-12-23 Science & Technology
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Dwarkesh Patel
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Read the transcript here: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/thoughts-on-ai-progress-dec-2025 Toby Ord: How Well Does RL Scale https://www.tobyord.com/writing/how-well-does-rl-scale Beren Millidge: Most Algorithmic Progress is Data Progress by https://www.beren.io/2025-08-02-Most-Algorithmic-Progress-is-Data-Progress/ TIMESTAMPS 00:00:13 What are we scaling? 00:03:11 The value of human labor 00:05:19 Economic diffusion lag is cope 00:06:36 Goal-post shifting is justified 00:08:23 RL scaling 00:09:33 Broadly deployed intelligence explosion

Top Comments (10)

@hinton4214 2025-12-23

We are scaling Dwarkesh beard

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@Neomadra 2025-12-23

I really appreciate that you're giving your honest opinions even though you have so many AI sponsorships

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@yizhizhu5154 2025-12-23

We are scaling uploads boys

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@jurgengravestein 2025-12-24

In one year Dwarkesh went from totally AGI pilled to pretty much an AI skeptic. Appreciate the intellectual honesty.

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@tylermoore4429 2025-12-23

I think at this point we are just confused about the term AGI and we should retire the word. The next milestone is models that can be deployed at enterprises and be at least as useful as most human employees. That may or may not require continual learning since many coders think Claude Opus 4.5 is already there without it. That said, Dwarkesh, you might want to talk to your roommate Sholto, he just predicted that continual learning will be solved "satisfactorily" in 2026.

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@OscarTheStrategist 2025-12-24

Good on you for putting your sincere thoughts out there. Merry Christmas

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@MrMaguuuuuuuuu 2025-12-27

We’re in the trough of disillusionment as defined in the Gartner hype cycle

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@tqian86 2025-12-25

Really thoughtful insights. I did my graduate school on human learning and computational models of it. I no longer work on such research, but one takeaway was that human learning is quick, persistent, and heavily relies on generalization. In fact, most of the time, the primary type of errors to correct for human learners are over-generalization errors (think how kids say words like "gooses"). Humans are much more efficient learners in that we require fewer examples to start generalizing (while making errors), and that we are really tuned to semantic and structural similarities between tasks. These are very different from the approaches of RL in nature.

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@alchemication 2025-12-24

We were used to seeing yearly reviews from youtubers for movies, tech gadgets, and now it’s AI. What a time to be alive?!

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@mohsinhijazee2008 2026-01-01

This is a very humbling and grounding view on where we do stand with AI.

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