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Trump Wants to Invent a Fake Reality (w/ Anne Applebaum) | The Bulwark Podcast

2026-04-09 News & Politics
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Putin puppet Viktor Orbán—whose nepotistic and corrupt government in Hungary has become the model for the far-right in America and Europe—is facing his first serious election challenge in 16 years. It turns out that voters get mad when a president steals from the public and tanks the economy. Vance tried to bolster Orbán with Kremlin-esque fake propaganda, but the energy may be with the grassroots campaign of Peter Magyar. Plus, Vance's arrogance and ignorance about Ukraine, Trump still comes up short on his Iran war goals, the administration made some weird threats against Pope Leo, and Kari Lake is still a loser. Anne Applebaum joins Tim Miller. Stop putting off those doctors appointments and go to https://Zocdoc.com/THEBULWARK to find and instantly book a doctor you love today. For a limited time, Wildgrain is offering our listeners $30 off your first box - PLUS free Croissants for life - when you go to https://Wildgrain.com/THEBULWARK to start your subscription today. Show Notes: Anne's piece on Hungary, "The First Post-Reality Political Campaign": https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/hungary-first-post-reality-political-campaign/686565/?gift=AO0MhSsTDaHgiP_RxFGfB8quFWywd2gXk18ODmAk_pw&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share Thursday's "Morning Shots": https://open.substack.com/pub/thebulwark/p/iran-schools-trump-in-the-art-of-the-deal-hormuz-war-oil-strait-ceasefire-lebanon-israel?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web Giselle Donnelly's Bulwark piece on how Trump's war is impacting global navigation: https://open.substack.com/pub/thebulwark/p/donald-trumps-unfreedom-of-the-seas-iran-war-hormuz-trade-economy-oil?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web Anne's book, "Twilight of Democracy": https://bookshop.org/p/books/twilight-of-democracy-the-seductive-lure-of-authoritarianism-anne-applebaum/7f9343b67c1e2894 Anne's "Autocracy, Inc." in paperback: https://bookshop.org/p/books/autocracy-inc-the-dictators-who-want-to-run-the-world-anne-applebaum/4edfe860b09ac90f Anne's book recommendation, "Furious Minds: The Making of the Maga New Right": https://bookshop.org/p/books/furious-minds-the-making-of-the-maga-new-right-laura-k-field/c3ab310155a05b89 Letters from Leo on Substack: https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/ Chapters: 00:00:37 Hungary Election Stakes And Orban’s System 00:03:51 How Orban Consolidated Power 00:06:38 Peter Magyar And The Opposition Challenge 00:08:24 Orban’s Post-Reality Campaign 00:10:30 Fake Threats And Disinformation Tactics 00:13:25 Election Manipulation And Voter Tactics 00:15:55 Ad Break - Wildgrain 00:16:53 Can Reality Break Through Propaganda 00:17:50 JD Vance And MAGA Alignment With Orban 00:22:47 Ukraine War Framing And Mischaracterization 00:25:51 Trump, NATO, And Strained Alliances 00:29:43 Ad Break - Zocdoc 00:34:37 Russia, Europe, And Security Risks 00:38:33 Iran Conflict And Failed Strategy 00:45:17 Global Stakes And Maritime Risks 00:49:28 Kari Lake And Collapse Of USAGM Become a Bulwark Youtube Plus Member here - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG4Hp1KbGw4e02N7FpPXDgQ/join

Top Comments (10)

@jonitickel8927 2026-04-09

Anne Applebaum is always a great guest. Her articulation of Orban's political evolution is critical to understanding why jd vance is in Hungary.

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@aensti9077 2026-04-09

Listening to this from Switzerland… Hungary is a pain in the ass for Europe…

335 25 replies
@rw31415 2026-04-09

Always great when Anne is on.

280 3 replies
@hrvojesvetec3058 2026-04-09

Vance is a dam SNAKE...FAKE DOUBLEFACED SHAPE SHIFTER...one of most DANGEROUS people in America

276 14 replies
@terryt.1643 2026-04-09

I have a feeling TRump and Vance are taking notes on Orbans tactics with the election there. They are really focused on controlling our November elections to stay in power.

172 23 replies
@leonlowery3389 2026-04-09

"Deep shallowness!!" What a perfect phrase to describe Vance.

149 5 replies
@malloughlin6527 2026-04-10

Please have Anne on as often as possible! 💙

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@roxannekeomaka4754 2026-04-09

Raised Catholic, now an atheist, but love this Pope!

74 3 replies
@Popbug 2026-04-09

12 years catholic school, 7 as a believer,50 years of atheism. You go pope I’ve got your back.

65 1 replies
@lanihummel8397 2026-04-10

Anne Applebaum is always a great guest. Forever informative. Thank you.

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