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I Didn’t Think Plumbers Were A National Security Risk? | Jason Altmire #481 | The Way I Heard It

2026-04-30 Entertainment
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85% of jobs are about to change, whether you’re ready or not. The question is, are you any good at the part AI can’t do? In this episode, I chat with Jason Altmire—a three-term Congressman from Pennsylvania turned workforce advocate—who’s spent the last several years staring straight at a problem most of us would rather ignore. And trust me, it’s a big one. We’re talking about a country with millions of unfilled jobs, trillions of dollars in infrastructure on deck, and not nearly enough skilled people to do the work. Meanwhile, we’ve got record numbers of college grads, many of whom can’t find jobs in their field, are buried in debt, or both. If that sounds like a paradox, it is. And Jason has the receipts. We dig into the stigma that’s haunted the skilled trades for decades, the political and cultural forces that pushed “college for all” into overdrive, and the uncomfortable truth that we may have overcorrected ourselves into a corner. But this isn’t just doom and gloom. There are reasons for optimism because this is a problem we can fix. From companies building their own trade schools to young people (and not-so-young people) reinventing themselves mid-career, there’s a quiet shift happening in this country. A shift toward what Jason calls “opportunity pluralism”—the idea that success doesn’t come from one path but many. We also get into some tricky territory—unions, politics, education policy, and why common-sense solutions aren’t always so common. But through it all, one thing becomes clear: This isn’t a partisan issue. It’s a practical one. If your lights go out, your toilets back up, or your air conditioning doesn’t work in the summer heat, you get bipartisan real fast. If you’ve been told college is the best path for the most people, you might want to think again. Because the race is already on. And whether you like it or not, you’re running. Check out Jason's book, Trade Up: Why the Future Belongs to Skilled Trades and How Career Education is Transforming the Workforce: https://tradeupbook.com #podcast #job #skills My foundation is awarding millions of dollars in work ethic scholarships to men and women willing to learn a skilled trade. Apply now at: https://bit.ly/mrwscholarships If you like me, and even if you don't, subscribe to my channels and follow me. Much obliged. https://www.youtube.com/@therealmikerowe https://www.youtube.com/@therealmikeroweshorts https://www.youtube.com/@PYSKshow http://instagram.com/mikerowe http://facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe https://twitter.com/mikeroweworks 00:00 AI’s impact on jobs 05:32 The politics of education ️ 09:35 The skills gap 17:50 Redefining opportunity 22:10 Our pal, Winn Claybaugh 31:42 The nursing shortage 37:50 Six-figure jobs 49:55 Future of trade schools 54:03 SkillsUSA's impact 01:03:10 Veterans in the trades 01:07:26 The Jumpstart Bill 01:12:52 The cost of college

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@larryp4055 2026-04-30

Let’s not forget that there are no Trades being taught in high school anymore. What happened to the automotive, wood working and welding classes that were available to students in the 80s and 90s.. I was motivated to get into the construction industry and made a decent wage because right out of high school I already had experience. I then joined the military and went to the Gulf War. But when I got out I was able to find jobs in construction immediately. Until I became a police officer and retired. But I have gained the knowledge to fix anything in my home including plumbing,electrical and automotive without having any college debt.

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@ChefBillybaroo 2026-04-30

I went to culinary school when I was 19 years old I had a 15 year career, my daughter was born and I thought to myself I don’t wanna do this anymore. 12 hours a day every day and my wife said well what do you wanna do I didn’t know….. but my father was in the trades so I said let me try to become a plumber and now I’ve done it for 25 years and I am a journeyman plumber. A foreman and I specialize in finish work. Best decision of my life.

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@newfreenayshaun6651 2026-04-30

I paint. I frame. I sling roof shingles. I wire houses, I pour concrete, I hang gutters. I can hit bullseye several times out of ten, either hand. I can grow my own food, raise animals, plant trees, build a fire break in the forest, I dig ditches to run utilities. I can run a sparkle wrench, a jackhammer, a chainsaw a forklift, a front loader, a backhoe, a steamroller, even a Zamboni machine. I haul heavy salt water in the oil field. I fit men's suits. I sell this and that, bath towels and silk ties. I hang solar panels. A direct traffic. I fix cars 2007 and older. I build porches, skylights, hot tubs, treehouses, mailboxes, bird baths, greenhouses, muscle, relationships and character. Mike is one of my biggest influences as a grown man doing my thing.

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@Erich_Baron 2026-04-30

That man is a definition of a statesman not a politician. Most voting individuals do not know the difference between the two..

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@BigRooster410 2026-04-30

Im 31, had a drug addiction problem for 12-13 years, went to prison for about 3 years and since I got out ive been doing electrical work for the majority of that time, worked my way up for a while and 2 years later now im working at a Locomotive repair/overhaul shop. Its never to late to do the right thing, or at the very least trying to do the right thing.

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@mikedengel4027 2026-04-30

The fact that the government lists truck driver's as unskilled labor is a travesty

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@Porp75 2026-04-30

As an aging tradesman the only “regret” I have is not working harder to hone my craft sooner. I spent too long being complacent in the middle of the pack where now, as my body slowly starts to betray my mind, it gets harder year by year to do the demanding parts of my job. My advice to anyone entering trades now is to have a plan that gets you out from under the “work” part of the trade as you get older. Own your own company… transition to building inspector… or at the very least learn your trade so well that a company values what you know more than how well you can do it because eventually the “doing it” part becomes harder and harder to actually do well.

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@marknuetzmann4935 2026-04-30

My daughter is a baker, owns her own business and now employs others! AMAZING!

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@Elisabeth_38 2026-04-30

As a single mother I've had to learn DIY. It's been a great pleasure and I'm proud of myself. My son has seen that, chose a blue collar job and is doing very well for himself.

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@norm5785 2026-04-30

Bring back Home Ec and Industrial Arts programs in the schools, not in stand alone centers or programs. People who work with their hands will always be able to secure stable wages.

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