Europe Is Planning for a Post-America World (w/ Fiona Hill) | The Bulwark Podcast

Donald Trump is so enamored with Vladimir Putin he doesn't even know the Russian leader is regularly making fun of him in ways that can’t easily be translated. Trump is also running the White House like it's the Kremlin, with backdoor deals, quick enrichment schemes, nefarious activities, and cronies calling the shots—while people in official positions, like Marco, are just fig leaves. It’s the exact kind of political world where Putin flourishes. And his operation against the United States continues apace. Plus, the backstory on the proposed Venezuela-Ukraine swap, Trump's TACO on Greenland, Canada and Europe have had enough of the U.S. and buying American, Western allies don’t trust Vance’s dependence on tech bros, and hello: Ozempic is a Danish drug. The one and only Fiona Hill joins Tim Miller. Show Notes: Fiona's memoir, " There Is Nothing for You Here: Finding Opportunity in the Twenty-First Century": https://bookshop.org/p/books/there-is-nothing-for-you-here-finding-opportunity-in-the-twenty-first-century-fiona-hill/00f2f7c6d544bee5 Fiona's book, "Mr. Putin: The Operative in the Kremlin: https://www.brookings.edu/books/mr-putin-new-and-expanded/ David Frum's interview with Fiona: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-trump-sides-with-putin/id1305908387?i=1000745991297 Own your health for $365 a year. That’s a dollar a day. Visit www.functionhealth.com/THEBULWARK or use gift code THEBULWARK25 for a $25 credit toward your membership Chapters: 00:00 Intro and Fiona Hill’s background 01:18 From coal country to Cold War Russia expert 05:07 Childhood story and early resilience 06:03 Why Hill joined the Trump administration 09:15 The difficulty of saying no inside Trump’s White House 11:15 Trump, Putin, and the limits of expertise 13:01 Russia’s interference and why it worked 17:11 Trump, useful idiots, and parallel power structures 17:30 Ad Break – Function Health 19:18 Russia’s goals and American vulnerability 21:34 Helsinki, translators, and what really happened 23:52 Putin’s manipulation style explained 26:13 Venezuela, Ukraine, and backchannel diplomacy 28:39 How Greenland entered Trump’s worldview 31:18 Is Greenland actually a national security issue? 35:11 Trump’s Greenland walk back and fallout 38:43 Canada, Europe, and a post-US security order 41:38 NATO, defense spending, and long-term consequences 44:57 Nuclear proliferation risks and Europe’s response 48:12 Trump’s “peace boards” and authoritarian alignment 50:44 Ukraine negotiations and Russian manipulation 54:34 Is there an off ramp for Ukraine? 57:31 A closing case for democratic resistance Become a Bulwark Youtube Plus Member here - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG4Hp1KbGw4e02N7FpPXDgQ/join