Was Penrose Right? NEW EVIDENCE For Quantum Effects In The Brain
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Top Comments (10)
My brain is both empty and full at the same time.
This is by far the most lucid explanation of this argument I've ever heard. Fantastic work, Matt. Seriously.
I'm a neuroscientist working for patients with rare genetic disorders affecting kinesins, some of the motors that move cargo along microtubules. As a result I'm also familiar with genetic disorders in microtubule, or microtubule-related, genes. Microtubules are quite dynamic - adaptors and motors are constantly applying modifications to the microtubules, and I'm quite curious about how these would play into this paradigm; the microtubule ecosystem would be adapted to supporting this kind of quantum encoding - if it's meaningful. One reason I'm skeptical of this iteration of quantum consciousness is that you would expect microtubule-related mutations to cause disorders with a more profound effect on "consciousness," however you decide to define that. Cognitive symptoms certainly are common and sometimes profound in these disorders, but not in a way that seems fundamentally separated from other neurological disorders. A good follow-up might be: 1) Decide on an operational definition of consciousness, with pre-defined clinical measurements. 2) Look at microtubule-affecting genetic conditions with variable predicted impact on these tryptophan-mediated quantum effects 3) Perform a meta-analysis across studies, and check whether there's any kind of relationship between clinical features of "consciousness" and types of mutations. I'm also skeptical of the Sherlock approach; I'm quite interested in possible quantum effects in neurobiology and there's a ton we don't know about microtubules, but so much of this reminds me of claims that the pineal gland held the soul.
Regarding quantum effects in biological systems, chloroplasts exhibit electron tunneling that increases the efficiency of energy transfer (I spent a few hundred hours measuring this in grad school). While it's not entanglement or on a brain-sized scale, it does show that evolution is capable of tapping into quantum effects even in wet, warm, messy systems. Great video as always!
Thank you for featuring our scientific research! I appreciate how you pointed out that our paper is not at all related to Penrose and Hameroff's conjecture on consciousness. I am grateful for your explanation of how the exciting field of quantum biology has many applications that are not related to highly-speculative quantum consciousness research. Bravo!
"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter" - Yoda
"Sherlocking consciousness" lol
93, Bless his heart, great man.
I find it hard to believe that evolution has not taken advantage of quantum processes.
Micro-tubules, Midichlorians, hey, who's really keeping track?
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Top Comments (10)
My brain is both empty and full at the same time.
This is by far the most lucid explanation of this argument I've ever heard. Fantastic work, Matt. Seriously.
I'm a neuroscientist working for patients with rare genetic disorders affecting kinesins, some of the motors that move cargo along microtubules. As a result I'm also familiar with genetic disorders in microtubule, or microtubule-related, genes. Microtubules are quite dynamic - adaptors and motors are constantly applying modifications to the microtubules, and I'm quite curious about how these would play into this paradigm; the microtubule ecosystem would be adapted to supporting this kind of quantum encoding - if it's meaningful. One reason I'm skeptical of this iteration of quantum consciousness is that you would expect microtubule-related mutations to cause disorders with a more profound effect on "consciousness," however you decide to define that. Cognitive symptoms certainly are common and sometimes profound in these disorders, but not in a way that seems fundamentally separated from other neurological disorders. A good follow-up might be: 1) Decide on an operational definition of consciousness, with pre-defined clinical measurements. 2) Look at microtubule-affecting genetic conditions with variable predicted impact on these tryptophan-mediated quantum effects 3) Perform a meta-analysis across studies, and check whether there's any kind of relationship between clinical features of "consciousness" and types of mutations. I'm also skeptical of the Sherlock approach; I'm quite interested in possible quantum effects in neurobiology and there's a ton we don't know about microtubules, but so much of this reminds me of claims that the pineal gland held the soul.
Regarding quantum effects in biological systems, chloroplasts exhibit electron tunneling that increases the efficiency of energy transfer (I spent a few hundred hours measuring this in grad school). While it's not entanglement or on a brain-sized scale, it does show that evolution is capable of tapping into quantum effects even in wet, warm, messy systems. Great video as always!
Thank you for featuring our scientific research! I appreciate how you pointed out that our paper is not at all related to Penrose and Hameroff's conjecture on consciousness. I am grateful for your explanation of how the exciting field of quantum biology has many applications that are not related to highly-speculative quantum consciousness research. Bravo!
"Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter" - Yoda
"Sherlocking consciousness" lol
93, Bless his heart, great man.
I find it hard to believe that evolution has not taken advantage of quantum processes.
Micro-tubules, Midichlorians, hey, who's really keeping track?