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The MAGA Machine Can't Save Trump From Epstein (w/ David Frum) | The Bulwark Podcast

2025-11-14 News & Politics
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Trump's Shifting Defenses, Political Retribution, and the Roots of Hate

Analyze how Trump’s uncharacteristic guilt over Epstein exposes internal fractures, contrast this with systematic political retribution being deployed by allies, and explore the deep paranoia fueling modern antisemitism debates.

Short Summary

  • Trump broke his standard non-apology pattern by obsessing over the Epstein story, signaling genuine vulnerability or crisis mismanagement.
  • Allies are engaging in unprecedented government cleanup, using state power (DOJ/Fannie Mae) for personal settlements and political payback.
  • Speakers differentiate between contempt-based hate and paranoia-based antisemitism, discussing its corrosive role across the political spectrum.
  • The discussion covered the futility of interdicting supply (like drug boats) versus addressing consumer demand, citing the Venezuela refugee crisis as a policy failure example.

This conversation details the political fallout surrounding the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, particularly candidate Trump’s reaction. Hosts Tim Miller and David Frum dissect Trump’s unusual behavior—acting shamefaced—which suggests the issue is severe. They pivot to discussing systemic corruption, evidenced by reports of taxpayers potentially settling multi-million dollar lawsuits for Trump appointees like Michael Flynn. Furthermore, Frum offers a deep analysis of antisemitism as a form of paranoia, noting how it contaminates political discourse across the spectrum, especially when tied to foreign policy crises like Venezuela.

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Our commander-in-chief and breaker of mores can only muster the energy to beg Republicans to stop talking about Epstein. Where is the blustery guy who proudly declared he paid no taxes and that he could shoot anyone on 5th avenue? Because of the lame duck smell he's giving off—and the economic problems Trump himself brought on—he's not getting the support he needs from the outer MAGA media world that's obsessed with Epstein. Meanwhile, he's getting ready to have taxpayers pay off his cronies for trying to help steal the 2020 election. Plus, the four kinds of corruption in the Trump administration, the Caribbean boat bombings have driven down the price of cocaine, and the origins and modern flowering of antisemitism on the left and right. David Frum joins Tim Miller for the weekend pod. Show Notes: - David's recent episode on the military buildup off the coast of Venezuela: https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2025/11/the-david-frum-show-quico-toro-venzuela/684831/?gift=AO0MhSsTDaHgiP_RxFGfB1SfWx5ivPCmB3e7I3i1ZGE&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share - David's interview with Sarah this week: https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/2025/11/the-david-frum-show-sarah-longwell-2025-elections/684900/?gift=AO0MhSsTDaHgiP_RxFGfB3ThHHYG0kBCPvKXm9hVYcg&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share - Tim's playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0dApY6YT48kTh6j9xFDQch - If you believe democracy requires the kind of trust that is engendered through honest searching, and through the great books that built our civilization, become a Johnnie by visiting https://www.sjc.edu Take our quick survey and help us make The Bulwark even better. https://bit.ly/bulwarkvideo Become a Bulwark Youtube Plus Member here - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG4Hp1KbGw4e02N7FpPXDgQ/join

Top Comments (10)

@kathym7495 2025-11-14

Megyn Kelly is disgusting beyond words.... I was 7 when I was raped. It would not have mattered if I were 17, or 27...I am 71 today. It is still horrific. 🤬

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@juliarosenquist7573 2025-11-14

I want Nuremberg trials for this administration.

547 19 replies
@agenttattletale2 2025-11-15

David Frum is flat-out wrong on his takes re: Zohran and Israel. It is not antisemitic to call a genocide a genocide, and there is no need to "make amends" with Bibi/Israel as a nation state until they too clean house.

475 25 replies
@sunnyowens626 2025-11-14

First & foremost "Children Can not Give Consent"" let that sink in! That's the bottom line reality!!

474 11 replies
@NoSacredCowFla 2025-11-14

I can't see JD Vance without hearing the South Park version.

337 18 replies
@katep3924 2025-11-15

He is the mayor of NY - not doing international relations for the USA. Could we lay off the anti-Zohran rhetoric? I am exhausted by the useless pearl-clutching.

332 19 replies
@gregwickham9841 2025-11-14

He looks guilty because he IS guilty

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@catherinecuneo 2025-11-15

Thank you Tim for the pushback against the proposition that anti-Israel policies as executed now = antisemitism. There are more than a few people who can separate these.

132 4 replies
@LWfanboy 2025-11-15

There's the GOP's theme for the midterms: "He wasn't into...like, eight year olds".

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@KimberleyJurdison 2025-11-15

Every single one of them needs accountability. No one should get a pass

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