Two Scientists, One Question: Does Alien Life Need a Soul?
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Top Comments (10)
Fine-tuning is two claims wearing one coat, and they keep getting conflated. Claim one is empirical: several constants sit in narrow ranges, and nudging them appears to rule out the chemistry life needs. That is a real observation about parameter sensitivity. You can argue the width of those ranges, but the sensitivity is on the table. Claim two is an inference: therefore the universe was set up for us. That is not an experimental result. It is a reading of one, and it competes with at least two others — a multiverse where we observe a hospitable patch because we could not observe any other, and the flat possibility that we do not yet know why the constants take the values they do. Hugh Ross runs the observation toward design. The cosmologist holds the line that an observation you cannot independently test against an alternative is not yet evidence for any one of them. Both can be honest. Only one is doing physics. What would actually move this: a theory that derives the constants from something deeper, so "fine-tuned" becomes "fixed by the math." Until then it stays a Rorschach test with a coordinate system. Where do you land?
Might I point out that many things in astrophysics are "best guesses".
Lex Keating
Hugh Ross is incredible. Big fan.
Excellent discussion, so many thought provoking ideas and concepts. What struck me from a few talking points, being the 'Bible seems to be an encrypted cosmological math book'. We still haven't broken or understood within it the complete formula of the universe. Einstein said it the best being in the 4th dimension, "The only reason for time, is so that everything doesn't happen at once". Looking out into the universe, we can say with certainty, the future has already happened, only that the photons have not revealed it to us yet, give it time, we will see. Our consciousness is the link to the divine. To assume the deity's imagination is limited to us is an error, for there could be an upgrade already out there. Belief to be believed, must be experienced. I told my grandson many times, don't touch it, it will burn you and you will cry from the pain...he cried. What I have seen, I can tell you... What's the point then if you do not believe me? ... ...
I don't search for faith debates, that's an eternal struggle. I'm more interested in the affects caused by retrograde in our solar system and tornadoes, maybe you could talk about that sometime?
Maybe Brian can do a program on the Alchemists. Why do you mention Bruno and not Russell?
Super cool podcast for dad's day
First time hearing Hugh Ross really enjoyed his explanations
I would love to see you interview Jason Lisle on here.
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Top Comments (10)
Fine-tuning is two claims wearing one coat, and they keep getting conflated. Claim one is empirical: several constants sit in narrow ranges, and nudging them appears to rule out the chemistry life needs. That is a real observation about parameter sensitivity. You can argue the width of those ranges, but the sensitivity is on the table. Claim two is an inference: therefore the universe was set up for us. That is not an experimental result. It is a reading of one, and it competes with at least two others — a multiverse where we observe a hospitable patch because we could not observe any other, and the flat possibility that we do not yet know why the constants take the values they do. Hugh Ross runs the observation toward design. The cosmologist holds the line that an observation you cannot independently test against an alternative is not yet evidence for any one of them. Both can be honest. Only one is doing physics. What would actually move this: a theory that derives the constants from something deeper, so "fine-tuned" becomes "fixed by the math." Until then it stays a Rorschach test with a coordinate system. Where do you land?
Might I point out that many things in astrophysics are "best guesses".
Lex Keating
Hugh Ross is incredible. Big fan.
Excellent discussion, so many thought provoking ideas and concepts. What struck me from a few talking points, being the 'Bible seems to be an encrypted cosmological math book'. We still haven't broken or understood within it the complete formula of the universe. Einstein said it the best being in the 4th dimension, "The only reason for time, is so that everything doesn't happen at once". Looking out into the universe, we can say with certainty, the future has already happened, only that the photons have not revealed it to us yet, give it time, we will see. Our consciousness is the link to the divine. To assume the deity's imagination is limited to us is an error, for there could be an upgrade already out there. Belief to be believed, must be experienced. I told my grandson many times, don't touch it, it will burn you and you will cry from the pain...he cried. What I have seen, I can tell you... What's the point then if you do not believe me? ... ...
I don't search for faith debates, that's an eternal struggle. I'm more interested in the affects caused by retrograde in our solar system and tornadoes, maybe you could talk about that sometime?
Maybe Brian can do a program on the Alchemists. Why do you mention Bruno and not Russell?
Super cool podcast for dad's day
First time hearing Hugh Ross really enjoyed his explanations
I would love to see you interview Jason Lisle on here.