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How Quantum Physics Complicates Objective Truth, with Elise Crull

2025-11-11 Science & Technology
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Physics and Philosophy: Re-examining Foundational Questions in Science

Discover why foundational philosophical questions guided breakthroughs like Einstein's relativity, and why modern physics needs both calculation and deep conceptual understanding to push beyond current empirical limits.

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  • Physics and philosophy were historically unified, with foundational thinkers like Newton functioning as "natural philosophers."
  • Academic specialization, particularly post-WWII, has led to impermeable borders that actively discourage generalist thinking in physics.
  • Quantum mechanics exposes the limits of classical "objectivity," forcing researchers to rely on philosophical criteria (like elegance or parsimony) to choose research paths.
  • If data runs thin, as in seeking quantum gravity, philosophical rigor defines which pursuits are deemed most compelling and worthy of funding.

This discussion retrieves the lost connection between physics and philosophy, showing how examining "why" questions guides scientific progress, especially when experiments fail to provide clear answers about reality.

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What happens when physics meets the big questions of philosophy? Neil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Chuck Nice sit down with Elise Crull, philosopher of physics at CUNY and author of The Einstein Paradox, to explore physics, philosophy, and how thought experiments shape real science. Why did 20th-century physicists like Einstein, Schrödinger, and Bohr disagree about what quantum mechanics even means? Why did Einstein insist that physics needed deeper explanations, and how did philosophical thinking guide his breakthroughs? Was he really doing physics—or philosophy? And what does it mean to “do” science when the evidence runs thin? From Newton’s Principia to quantum entanglement, we explore how physics and philosophy were once deeply intertwined—and why that relationship matters now more than ever. Why did physics and philosophy split in the first place? What do we lose when science becomes only experimental and utilitarian? Is there still room in modern physics for “why” questions? Plus, we debate whether scientists can truly leave their worldview at the lab door? How did Newton and Einstein’s philosophies differ? We explore philosophical differences between great scientists and how it yielded different results. What philosophical leap helped Schrödinger and others imagine the electron as a wave? We break down if today’s physicists still need philosophy to address unanswered quantum questions. What does “entanglement” really mean? Could echoes of the early universe’s quantum state still be hiding in the cosmos? If science is a method, who decides which questions matter? And what happens when the data runs out… but the questions remain? Thanks to our Patrons Jason Dobbins, Robert Egoroff, Steven Rodby, David Miller, BiologyBob, Charles William McDonald, kara lockmiller, Cade Solsbery, Cakery, Eugene Swimmer, Andrew Di Bello, Bob Patterson, Melissa Buchter, Mathew, Mike Dockins, A Wade, Harrison Netherway, Padraic Hagerty, Bryan Nusbaum, Jorge Daniel, Samir Banerjeesh, Chad Salter, Helix, Mohammad Imrul Kayes, Bryson Taylor, Mickey Kellam, Susan Pingree, ThatStratosPlayer!?, Sam Tuttle, Henock Taddese, Rosemarie Boll, Alex Pilon, Trevor Carpenter, Max Laarmann, Melissa Hannah, Donna Van Benschoten, David Quilloy, John Kordyback, Tony S, Francisco Rubiolo, Mallory Boyd, Briana Green, Laurie Smith, Grey Gorman, Mark Bentley, Joseph Formisano, Velovinovicci, tosha ristoff, Isaac Woosley, Lucas Legey, and Carl Dalby for supporting us this week. Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction: Elise Crull 01:50 - The Einstein Paradox 03:44 - What’s Philosophy’s Role in Physics? 8:29 - Philosophy at the Edge of Science 12:17 - Training Scientist with Deep Questions 19:00 - Being Biased By Beliefs in Science 28:05 - Philosophies of Einstein & Newton 35:40 - Questions of Quantum Physics 46:50 - A Cosmic Perspective Check out our second channel, @StarTalkPlus Get the NEW StarTalk book, 'To Infinity and Beyond: A Journey of Cosmic Discovery' on Amazon: https://amzn.to/3PL0NFn Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/startalkradio FOLLOW or SUBSCRIBE to StarTalk: Twitter: http://twitter.com/startalkradio Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StarTalk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/startalk About StarTalk: Science meets pop culture on StarTalk! Astrophysicist & Hayden Planetarium director Neil deGrasse Tyson, his comic co-hosts, guest celebrities & scientists discuss astronomy, physics, and everything else about life in the universe. Keep Looking Up! #StarTalk #NeildeGrasseTyson

Top Comments (10)

@earthoid 2025-11-11

I wait for Chuck's summaries so I can understand what just happened.

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@anya981 2025-11-11

10 minutes in and I'm already greateful that I can actually enjoy lady's Elise knowledge this time Kudos to the team and Neil for this display of openness to feedback, humbleness and elegance

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@Belgarath01 2025-11-11

5 or 6 more of these conversations would be just fine. Love Elise.

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@yousuf125 2025-11-11

Please never change the format and style of this show. Ever. And thank you all for everything.

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@graybuffer 2025-11-11

I love how Neil is like: "It's not in the books. How do you know?" "I've read the letters." Oh.

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@jonteclarke8361 2025-11-11

fantastic, thank you so much for taking the feedback so well. This is exactly the best possible response. You are being a great example, leaders in thought, science and respectful response to feed back. Above and beyond expectations!!

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@christianfasy 2025-11-12

I am so glad that you had Professor Crull back on your show, so we could get a more in depth discussion of her views and knowledge. Thank you so much.

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@Aoanoxi 2025-11-12

This needs to become a series. I think we can keep going deeper and deeper. Well at least a miniseries. This conversation was excellent. I'm glad you had Elise back.

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@jlb4x4 2025-11-12

I love Elise Crull! Hopefully she is writing a book so we can benefit from more of her insight

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@betazep 2025-11-12

This is SO MUCH what the first interview should have been!!! Absolutely loved this conversation… especially because it was “a conversation“, and the guest was granted time to drive a point of view. Well done. Bravo! ❤🎉

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