Calm Down—Democrats WON the Shutdown! (w/ Will Saletan) | The Bulwark Podcast

The very online crowd is very upset, but Dems did fight like Republicans. This was a longer shutdown than anything the Tea Party pulled and real pain was being caused. Democrats have now made the cost of healthcare front and center—while Republicans keep showing that they are the party of billionaires, Mar-a-Lago soirées, and golden ballrooms. Plus, President Al Capone pardoned all the people who tried to help him steal the 2020 election, pro-democracy Americans must stay united against the evil of the administration's deportation policy, and the effort to keep POTUS in a bubble really backfired Sunday night at the Commanders' stadium. Will Saletan joins Tim Miller. Show Notes: - Will on Trump's disregard for his party: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/no-one-matters-to-trump-but-trump? - Jon Chait on ending the shutdown without ending the filibuster: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2025/11/democrats-shutdown-mistake/684878/? - The NYT on Venezuelans sent to CECOT in El Salvador: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/08/world/americas/el-salvador-prison-migrants.html - Book referenced by Tim, "Everyone Who Is Gone Is Here": https://bookshop.org/p/books/everyone-who-is-gone-is-here-the-united-states-central-america-and-the-making-of-a-crisis-jonathan-blitzer/d7d4a22ec001c9ff - F*%k your khakis and get The Perfect Jean 15% off with the code BULWARK15 at theperfectjean.nyc/BULWARK15 #theperfectjeanpod - Right now get up to 55% off your Babbel subscription at Babbel.com/BULWARK. - Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR at mudwtr.com/THEBULWARK! #mudwtrpod Become a Bulwark Youtube Plus Member here - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG4Hp1KbGw4e02N7FpPXDgQ/join