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Why Are Cookies So Expensive Now? (ft. Christina Tosi)

2025-09-14 Entertainment
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Mythical Kitchen
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Cookie Economics: Mastering Quality, Cost, and Scale with Christina Tosi

Uncover why great cookies are expensive by exploring the exact raw ingredients, labor, and overhead required to achieve bakery quality. Understand how operational choices like DTC versus brick-and-mortar impact a cookie’s final price.

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  • Ingredient Depth Drives Cost: Achieving superior texture and flavor demands specific, often costly, ingredients like cultured European butter and specialized flours.
  • Labor is Non-Negotiable: High-quality baking requires meticulous labor for measurement, mixing, and chilling, which cannot be eliminated at scale without sacrificing artisanal standards.
  • Margins Vary by Channel: In-person sales offer the best margins, while selling through grocery stores (CPG) often leaves minimal profit due to multi-layered distribution costs.
  • Innovation Requires Investment: Scaling an artisanal recipe necessitates solving operational challenges, like engineering custom machinery to handle complex inclusions.

This discussion breaks down the entire financial structure of a premium cookie, taught by Milk Bar founder Christina Tosi. We move beyond the simple equation of "sugar, flour, and butter" to detail the precise components and business choices that determine a cookie's price point and its potential for innovation across various sales channels.

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Today, Josh and Nicole are joined by founder of MilkBar and world renowned baker Christina Tosi to talk all things cookies. The best way to make them, what goes into creating cookie recipes, how to actually sell and market them, and why they are getting so damn expensive. Leave us a voicemail at (833) DOG-POD1 Check out all the episodes of A Hot Dog Is A Sandwich: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW8XZTagL0oIGE0YPFlWbxfk332rLzoCy Want more Mythical Kitchen? Check out these playlists: Last Meals - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW8XZTagL0oLPu4rowq_WOqg6nJ_oToRN Food Battles - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW8XZTagL0oKvNweUd0NzXBTUgmVDXbTe Meals of History - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW8XZTagL0oJzDtzkhoE_KeH_macdrpHJ Check out our podcast, A Hot Dog Is A Sandwich! Apple Podcasts: https://mythic.al/ahdias Spotify: https://mythic.al/hotdog CHAPTERS 0:00 Hi, Award Winning Pastry Chef Christina Tosi! 0:39 Founder of Milk Bar Weighs in on If A Hot Dog Is A Sandwich 1:48 Cookie Renaissance 2:55 Is A Brownie A Cookie? 3:57 The Cost Of Great Cookie Ingredients 9:46 The Labor Cost Of A Great Cookie 12:00 Brick & Mortar Vs. Delivery 18:20 Cookie Margins 21:18 You Won't Learn This in French Pastry School 23:33 We Needed A Cookie Scooping Machine 28:39 AI & Cookies 31:40 Opinions Are Like Casseroles 32:08 Are Hawaiian Rolls Are Dessert? 34:17 Are Desserts Best Served Cold? 37:27 Pros & Cons of Fondant 41:17 Does Frosting Hide Bad Cakes? 43:02 BBQ Sauce Cookies Pick up official Mythical Kitchen merch at https://mythical.com/collections/mythical-kitchen Check out Sporked, Mythical's new website dedicated to helping you find the best food on the shelves! - http://www.sporked.com Submit your Dreams Become Food photos here: https://forms.gle/cBopySaTXdzG7RFr5 Join the Mythical Society: https://www.mythicalsociety.com Follow Mythical Kitchen: Instagram: https://instagram.com/mythicalkitchen Facebook: https://facebook.com/mythicalkitchen Mythical Chef Josh's Instagram: https://instagram.com/mythicalchefjosh Check Out Our Other Mythical Channels: Good Mythical Morning: https://youtube.com/goodmythicalmorning Rhett & Link: https://youtube.com/rhettandlink Ear Biscuits: https://applepodcasts.com/earbiscuits Good Mythical MORE: https://youtube.com/goodmythicalmore In the spirit of minimizing food waste associated with the filming of this series, Mythical is donating to the Hollywood Food Coalition who provide daily, nourishing meals to underserved communities in the Los Angeles area. Closed Captioning provided by Rev

Top Comments (10)

@OwlPossum 2025-09-14

Just a friendly reminder, Milk Bar is not the same company as Crumbl. They are different businesses.

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@tessish 2025-09-15

I love listening to Christina talk about desserts. I want to try anything she talks about because you call tell she loves her craft and is just a treasure trove of knowledge about it.

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@shapeofsoup 2025-09-15

I was not prepared for this level of cookie expertise.

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@cookingwithWilliamGriffin 2025-09-14

Yes, Christiana Tosi. The legend is in the building.

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@mosesjeromelazaro2841 2025-09-16

watching this makes me like Christina more. we don't get to see this side of her that much when she was on Masterchef. love how she broke down the costs and possible additional expense in pursuing your passion.

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@mynciee 2025-09-20

PLEASE have her on last meals!

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@colinayers3498 2025-09-14

I really like the way she says cookies, scratches an itch I didn't know I had

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@jrbship 2025-09-15

Welcome to A Brownie Is A Cookie with Josh and Nicole

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@laertides7 2025-09-15

Christina Tosi is a goddamn national treasure

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@taylorwilliams4179 2025-09-18

As a lover of cookies and most things chocolate and desserts, this was fascinating.

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