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Why Are Managers Bad At Their Jobs? (The Peter Principle)

2025-03-28 Science & Technology
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Go to https://80000hours.org/coldfusion to learn about fulfilling, high-impact careers. Why is my manager so bad at their job? It's a question as old as time, but why does this tend to be such a common experience for so many people. The reasons not what you may think. In this episode, we explore. ColdFusion Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@ThroughTheWeb Watch or listen to ColdFusion on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1YEwCKoRz8fEDqheXB6UJ1 ColdFusion Music: https://www.youtube.com/@ColdFusionmusic http://burnwater.bandcamp.com Get my book: http://bit.ly/NewThinkingbook ColdFusion Socials: https://discord.gg/coldfusion https://facebook.com/ColdFusionTV https://twitter.com/ColdFusion_TV https://instagram.com/coldfusiontv Created by: Dagogo Altraide Producers: Tawsif Akkas, Dagogo Altraide Writers: Laura Woods Editors: Tanzim Uddin

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@Kiwi_Bay 2025-03-28

As a manager who started as a basic entry-level employee, I think managers are bad at their job, because they're simply not trained correctly. Managers need managing skills, something which regular employees are typically never taught.

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@CherryPauper 2025-03-28

Upper management never learns from their mistakes and is never punished for making piss poor decisions. Layoffs happen at the lower level when they should happen at the upper level.

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@438Analytica 2025-03-28

The worst managers are the ones who can’t stand up for their team. If you can’t push back on deadlines set by your superiors, for example, you’ll create a bad work environment — especially if your technical knowledge is limited.

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@visvivalaw 2025-03-29

The Peter Principle says that in any large organization, if you're good at your job you get promoted. This continues until you get promoted into a job you're not good at. Eventually everyone gets promoted into their level of incompetence. Think of the TV series "The Office" (American version). The incompetence of regional manager Michael Scott is the source of much of the humor. But in the second season we find out that Michael was once an excellent salesman, which is what lead to his promotion. The show is a classic example of the principle.

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@FartsAndEntertainment 2025-03-28

Back when I still worked in an office, I had two bosses, one I'd go to if I wanted a problem solved, one I'd go to if I wanted a problem ignored. The first's expertise was in finding solutions, the second's expertise was in finding excuses.

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@ktvx.94 2025-03-28

The issue is that skilled workers that have no human skills are bad managers, but people trained for leadership with zero technical knowledge are just as bad. You need both for good communication. It's best to keep promoting the good workers but keeping in mind their psychological profile AND training them on leadership skills.

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@LordofLaughs 2025-03-31

In my experience, I have seen these four factors: 1. Lack of training into management. 2. Promotion is based on not being a threat to the higher up or sucking up (aka Kneepads). 3. Nepotism, having a senior manager's daughter or son, breeze through the process into leadership without skills or competence. 4. Discrimination: If you are not part of the click, whether it is gender, race, or keen folk.

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@somenygaard 2025-03-28

8:00 “People don’t quit companies they quit bosses” I’ve never we heard this before but it rings true to me.

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@tsbrownie 2025-03-28

Retired exec here. This is all true. And managing is a DIFFERENT job than what is usually the jobs below them. Also, the egotistical / narcissistic are attracted to the money / power and do and say whatever to get the job. Add one more factor: A level managers (rare) hire A level managers. B level mangers hire C level managers because they are more concerned with not being replaced than doing the job. It's not 1 in 10 that have the ability, from experience it's more like 1 in 500. Up and out does not end the Peter Principle. But firing managers who make mistakes is the best way to get rid of those who can't run a company. Dealing with employees is a different area to consider.

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@okanbilgin 2025-07-11

My first manager advised me not to get too technical if I ever wanted to be promoted and climb the ladder. When I asked why, he said the top executives would worry about who could take over my current role.

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