Dark Forest: Should We NOT Contact Aliens?
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Top Comments (10)
One of the biggest flaw about the destroy option is that if a new player C has chosen the option "silence" they saw B destroy A ... and then migth chose to destroy B by retaliation or fears.
"The humans are talking about genocide in terms of game theory again, let's keep hiding from them" is a potential variation of the Dark Forest Hypothesis.
“ "We" don't decide things. Individuals decide, and collective action emerges in a very complex way.” - This is so well put and so many people don't understand.
This was the reason why we were churning out superhero movies for the past decade. The hope is that any aliens who receive our broadcasts will be duly warned of how often we get invaded and how it always ends for them.
The Dark Forest explanation for the Fermi Paradox was also a central plot point of the 1987 novel The Forge of God (and its sequel Anvil of Stars) by author Greg Bear. These are both great books that I highly recommend.
lmao i applaud your ability to work Alice and Bob into the Dark Forest Hypothesis, two of my favorite recurring characters in Physics
"A" could be a "scout" of a larger consortium to "feal out" new contacts. "B" could be advanced enough to understand that as one of many variable scenarios. ..and vice-versa.
If I were aliens i wouldn't want to contact us, we can't even get along with each other.
Veritasium recently made a video about the best strategies in infinite Prisoner's Dilemma and it makes me hopeful. The strategy that won the most was essentially being nice and forgiving, but not being a pushover. This can apply universally, even and especially to geopolitics. The threat of a nuclear war makes countries not start one. Nukes make countries not be pushovers. It's a little more complicated because of allies without nukes and the intricacies of globalisation, but that is the basic premise. This logic may even apply to aliens. How could we be certain that if we decide to destroy a civilization that they couldn't retaliate, especially over decades of fog of war? What if the weapon never hit or was deflected? If we and the aliens follow the same universal logic, assuming they have discovered the same strategy before sending planet wipers, the threat of annihilation should make everyone mutually agree to not do that. Perhaps curiosity will get us to co-operate too.
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Top Comments (10)
One of the biggest flaw about the destroy option is that if a new player C has chosen the option "silence" they saw B destroy A ... and then migth chose to destroy B by retaliation or fears.
"The humans are talking about genocide in terms of game theory again, let's keep hiding from them" is a potential variation of the Dark Forest Hypothesis.
“ "We" don't decide things. Individuals decide, and collective action emerges in a very complex way.” - This is so well put and so many people don't understand.
This was the reason why we were churning out superhero movies for the past decade. The hope is that any aliens who receive our broadcasts will be duly warned of how often we get invaded and how it always ends for them.
The Dark Forest explanation for the Fermi Paradox was also a central plot point of the 1987 novel The Forge of God (and its sequel Anvil of Stars) by author Greg Bear. These are both great books that I highly recommend.
lmao i applaud your ability to work Alice and Bob into the Dark Forest Hypothesis, two of my favorite recurring characters in Physics
"A" could be a "scout" of a larger consortium to "feal out" new contacts. "B" could be advanced enough to understand that as one of many variable scenarios. ..and vice-versa.
If I were aliens i wouldn't want to contact us, we can't even get along with each other.
Veritasium recently made a video about the best strategies in infinite Prisoner's Dilemma and it makes me hopeful. The strategy that won the most was essentially being nice and forgiving, but not being a pushover. This can apply universally, even and especially to geopolitics. The threat of a nuclear war makes countries not start one. Nukes make countries not be pushovers. It's a little more complicated because of allies without nukes and the intricacies of globalisation, but that is the basic premise. This logic may even apply to aliens. How could we be certain that if we decide to destroy a civilization that they couldn't retaliate, especially over decades of fog of war? What if the weapon never hit or was deflected? If we and the aliens follow the same universal logic, assuming they have discovered the same strategy before sending planet wipers, the threat of annihilation should make everyone mutually agree to not do that. Perhaps curiosity will get us to co-operate too.
Humans on Earth: I'm in danger!