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Michael Nielsen – Why aliens will have a different tech stack than us

2026-04-07 Science & Technology
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π„ππˆπ’πŽπƒπ„ π‹πˆππŠπ’ * Transcript: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/michael-nielsen * Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/michael-nielsen-how-science-actually-progresses/id1516093381?i=1000760075027 * Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1JTv7Le8s5Mf0hDcXDOJYl π’ππŽππ’πŽπ‘π’ - Labelbox researchers built a new safety benchmark. Why? Well, current safety benchmarks claim that attacks on top models are successful only a few percent of the time, but the prompts in those benchmarks don't reflect how real bad actors actually write. You can read Labelbox's research here: https://labelbox.com/blog/the-ai-safety-illusion-why-current-safety-datasets-fool-us-on-model-safety/. If this could be useful for your work, reach out at https://labelbox.com/dwarkesh - Mercury has an MCP that lets you give an LLM access to your full transaction history, including things like attached receipts and internal notes. I just used it to categorize my 2025 transactions, and it worked shockingly well. Modern functionality like this is exactly why I use Mercury. Learn more at https://mercury.com - Jane Street's ML engineers presented some of their GPU optimization workflows at GTC, showing how they use CUDA graphs, streams, and custom kernels to shave real time off their training runs. You can watch the full talk here: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/on-demand/session/gtc26-s82065/. And they open-sourced all the relevant code: https://github.com/janestreet/gtc2026/. If this kind of stuff excites you, Jane Street is hiring β€” learn more at https://janestreet.com/dwarkesh To sponsor a future episode, visit https://dwarkesh.com/advertise. π“πˆπŒπ„π’π“π€πŒππ’ 00:00:00 – How scientific progress outpaces its verification loops 00:17:51 – Newton was the last of the magicians 00:23:26 – Why wasn’t natural selection obvious much earlier? 00:29:52 – Could gradient descent have discovered general relativity? 00:50:54 – Why aliens will have a different tech stack than us 01:15:26 – Are there infinitely many deep scientific principles left to discover? 01:26:25 – What drew Michael to quantum computing so early? 01:35:29 – Does science need a new way to assign credit? 01:43:57 – Prolificness versus depth 01:49:17 – What it takes to actually internalize what you learn

Top Comments (10)

@yizhizhu5154 2026-04-07

The best way to think about low hanging fruit is that sometimes you discover new trees. Either through just going around exploring, or, by planting the seeds from the fruits you have eaten.

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@kauai-surf 2026-04-07

darn i was hoping for an 'Aliens will have a different Gelato recipe than us.' episode.

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@kezzerdrix 2026-04-07

Dwarkesh keeping it FRESH! Fascinating title! listening currently! Love your content! AND TO MY FELLOW HUMANS WHAT A WILD RIDE WE'RE ON BEST OF LUCK Y'ALL.

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@BobLaserlives 2026-04-07

Aliens: You guys stack stuff in all the wrong dimensions

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@DeletedImages 2026-04-07

Internalizing the interview afterwards as a lesson/ lecture is an amazing idea.

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@kooperinterstellar-s2m 2026-04-09

Dwarvesh bro please please invite Gregory chaitin at least a couple of times. He is a mathematician and inventor of algorithmic information theory. His views on AGI, Creativity, humanity and future of science are amazing.

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@sh48719 2026-04-07

Woh, my favourite guy on dwarkesh. Let's go.

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@IntricateJason 2026-04-12

Dwarkesh is one of the most intelligent critical thinkers on YouTube. Awesome stuff dude. This for all the great educational material you provide for us all.

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@shethkaushal 2026-04-12

..after 8 mins, realized, I had walked into a wrong meeting or a class and was too ashamed to leave it, but am wondering why did I enter..haha

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@ECTCa 2026-04-12

I didn't click on this episode first because of the title. It seemed to pop-culture for me, instead of in depth, which is what I expect from this podcast. However, this one was great to listen to! A great conversation. I also think you are probably the person who goes into the deepest places with the people you interview. Unparalleled by anyone.

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