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How to Grow From Doing Hard Things | Michael Easter

2025-06-16 Science & Technology
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My guest is Michael Easter, a professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas and best-selling author. We discuss how particular daily life choices undermine our level of joy, our sense of purpose, our physical and our mental health and the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly steps we can all take to vastly increase our level of motivation, gratitude and overall life satisfaction. We discuss how effortful foraging for information, undistracted reflection and physical exercise are ways to ‘invest’ and therefore grow our levels of dopamine, energy and motivation, whereas low-friction activities are specifically designed to hijack or diminish them. We also discuss dopamine reward circuitry in the context of how to build and reset one’s energy levels and create a deeper sense of purpose in work, creative pursuits and relationships. Episode show notes: https://go.hubermanlab.com/0OPEp3e *Thank you to our sponsors* AG1: ⁠https://drinkag1.com/huberman Maui Nui: ⁠https://mauinuivenison.com/huberman Helix Sleep: ⁠https://helixsleep.com/huberman Mateina: ⁠https://drinkmateina.com/huberman Function: ⁠https://functionhealth.com/huberman *Follow Huberman Lab* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Threads: https://www.threads.net/@hubermanlab X: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://www.hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://www.hubermanlab.com/newsletter *Michael Easter* Website: https://eastermichael.com Books: https://amzlink.to/az0gVEsePZEwp Two Percent Substack (Newsletter): https://www.twopct.com Substack (links from the Huberman Lab podcast): https://twopct.com/huberman Podcast: https://www.twopct.com/s/podcast UNLV: https://www.unlv.edu/news/experts/in-the-news/140526 X: https://x.com/michael_easter Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michael_easter Threads: https://www.threads.com/@michael_easter Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/p/Michael-Easter-100063709885769 *Timestamps* 00:00:00 Michael Easter 00:02:14 Discomforts, Modern vs Ancient Life 00:07:35 Sponsors: Maui Nui & Helix Sleep 00:10:17 Modern Problems, Exercise, Trail vs Treadmill Running, Optic Flow, Hunting 00:20:01 Risk & Rewards, Intellectual vs Experiential Understanding 00:23:39 Modern Luxuries, First-World Problems, Gratitude, Tool: Volunteer 00:34:33 Rites of Passage, Tool: Challenge, Narrative & Purpose; Embracing Discomfort 00:40:43 Sponsors: AG1 & Mateina 00:43:33 Choice, 2% Study, Silence, Tools: Do Slightly Harder Things; Notice Resistance 00:54:05 Cognitive Challenges, Walking, Screens, Tool: Sitting with Boredom 01:01:53 Capturing Ideas, Attractor States, Tool: Being in Nature 01:06:50 2% Rule, Rites of Passage, Tool: Misogi Challenge 01:14:12 Phones, Sharing with Others, Social Media, Tool: Reflection vs Screen Time 01:23:23 Dopamine, Spending vs Investing, Guilt 01:29:48 Sponsor: Function 01:31:35 Relaxation, Shared Identities & Community, Music, Tool: In-Person Meeting 01:38:58 Loss of Gathering Places, Internet & Distorted Views, Hitchhiking 01:45:06 Misogi & Entry Points; Daily Schedule, Caffeine Intake 01:54:37 Optimal Circadian Schedule, Work Bouts, Exercise 01:59:12 Outdoor Adventures, Backpacking & Nutrition 02:04:57 Camping & Sleeping, Nature, Three-Day Effect 02:10:10 Sea Squirts; Misogi Adventures & Cognitive Vigor, Writing, Happiness 02:17:55 Effort & Rewards, Addiction, Dopamine, Catecholamines 02:22:36 Humans, Running & Carrying Weight, Fat Loss, Tool: How to Start Rucking 02:32:32 Physical/Cognitive Pursuits & Resistance; Creative “Magic” & Foraging 02:39:27 Motivation; Slot Machines, Loss Disguised as a Win, Speed 02:46:06 Gambling, Dopamine, Addiction 02:50:29 Tool: Avoid Frictionless Foraging; Sports Betting, Speed; Junk Food, Three V’s 02:56:22 Conveniences, Technology; Upcoming Book, Satisfaction 03:02:57 Substack Links, Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer & Disclosures: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Top Comments (10)

@burntwaffles6951 2025-06-16

I’m hiking the Appalachian trail and your podcasts are what keep me going on rainy days ❤

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@nicolasm2327 2025-06-19

This idea of lowering your threshold for happiness/satisfaction could not be more true. I just went through basic military training (Air Force boot camp) as an 18 year old and I can definitely tell you that I am now happier with less. I lived quite the cushy life. Protective parents. Lived in the suburbs. Much of an inside person with many of the problems that the video listed. Having my phone being taken away, being restricted to blander foods, marching every single place I would go, being restricted in when I could talk and how expressive I could be. My freedoms/liberties I previously had before BMT were numerous in plenty and having them restricted made me realize how easy I had it. By no means is Air Force BMT hard. It may prove to have its challenges, but it definitely introduced me to a different lifestyle that I have learned to jive with. One with less phone time, simpler food, more desire to exercise, a great appreciation for the little extra I get apart from necessities. If you bothered to read all of this, I hope that you also take the time to take away some of the conveniences in your life. The things you have abundance of. So that you can learn to appreciate less and ultimately be happier with more. Or as Andrew would put it, lowering your comfort threshold.

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@hubermanlab 2025-06-16

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@TheBadMoJoe 2025-06-16

Can confirm that long walks with significant others is very beneficial for strengthening relationships.

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@gutsyrookie915 2025-06-16

Thank you for never gatekeeping knowledge Andrew. I am not even exaggerating that you saved my life.

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@andreaabrahamson4093 2025-06-18

Heres a story: A few years ago I adopted a 2 mile section of road to clean, by my house here in the mountains of Colorado. I have been putting it off for some weeks now as it just was something I was not relishing doing. Today I decided to tackle half of it. And as I was walking down the hill from home to start picking up trash I decided to listen to this weeks podcast. It hit the nail on the head for me today, so relevant to what I was doing. Turns out, I did the entire section and listened for almost 2 hours. I so appreciate the conversation between the two of you and how I understand doing the hard things is often the best thing. Thanks for another great episode!

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@julianm.3376 2025-09-12

When you have fewer problems, people are not more satisfied. They lower the bar of what they consider a problem. - that hit hard

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@FromLandofLions 2025-06-22

Absolutely, Dr. Huberman is a blessing. In a world where so many try to scam others, he’s out here making a real difference. Thank you, Dr. Huberman!

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@CarnifaxMachine 2025-06-18

Michael Easter is a beacon of hope in a messed up society. My grocery store is only about a mile away, but I always walk and carry everything home in re-useable cloth bags + a backpack. The number of people I pass who are doing the same is usually 0, yet I see dozens of cars. At the airport I always view stairs as a great opportunity to pick up my luggage and get in 30 seconds of activity as I haul it up. I usually get to the top faster than everyone standing on the escalator staring at their cell phone. If I had to pick a single book that all of humanity had to read, I think it would be "The Comfort Crisis."

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@kathleenfaircloth4880 2026-02-24

2024 I drive 3,547 miles, no music or podcasts for 23 days. I attended a family wedding, visited 4 of my son's USMC buddies, (he passed in '04). It was a fabulous experience! Silence is golden 💜

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