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How Nature & Other Physical Environments Impact Your Focus, Cognition & Health | Dr. Marc Berman

2025-07-14 Science & Technology
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My guest is ⁠Dr. Marc Berman, PhD⁠, a professor of psychology at the University of Chicago whose research explores how different physical environments—particularly nature and patterns found in nature—can positively impact our ability to focus, our cognitive performance and our mental and physical health. We discuss how our physical environment influences our attention, stress levels and brain and heart health. He explains how even brief periods in nature and exposure to natural images and sounds can restore and improve attentional capacity, reduce mental fatigue and help combat rumination and depression. Whether you live in a city, suburb or rural area, this episode offers simple science-backed strategies for incorporating nature and natural elements into your daily life to positively transform your cognitive ability and mental and physical health. Episode show notes: https://go.hubermanlab.com/KO7TQWc *Thank you to our sponsors* AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Helix Sleep: https://helixsleep.com/huberman BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/huberman Our Place: https://fromourplace.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman *Follow Huberman Lab* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Threads: https://www.threads.net/@hubermanlab X: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://www.hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://www.hubermanlab.com/newsletter *Dr. Marc Berman* University of Chicago academic profile: https://voices.uchicago.edu/bermanlab/berman Nature and the Mind (book): https://amzn.to/4kx4oml Lab Website: https://voices.uchicago.edu/bermanlab Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=zCT_0OQAAAAJ&hl=en X: https://x.com/EnvNeuroLab *Timestamps* 00:00:00 Marc Berman 00:02:14 Direct vs Involuntary Attention, Mental Fatigue, Attention Restoration Theory 00:06:59 Attention Fatigue, Focus & Vision, Tool: Restoring Attention in Nature 00:11:26 Sponsors: Helix Sleep & BetterHelp 00:13:50 Focused Work, Tool: Pre-Work Nature Breaks to Enhance Focus 00:15:54 Nature Walks & Cognitive Benefits, Comparing Nature vs Urban Environments 00:21:31 Nature, “Softly Fascinating Stimulation”, Fractals 00:27:12 Nature Images & Sounds, Cognitive Benefits 00:30:03 Urban vs Nature Images, Complexity & Image Compression; Semantics 00:40:44 Time Perception & Nature; Art Galleries 00:45:32 Tools: Resetting Attention & Nature Break; Features of a Restorative Nature Environments vs Focused Workspace; Length of Time in Nature 00:52:47 Sponsors: AG1 & Our Place 00:55:59 Nature, Time & Widening Attention; Fractals & Nature 01:02:21 Nature vs Urban Environments & Brain, Social Media & Attention 01:09:44 Depression & Rumination, Mental Well-Being, Attention & Nature 01:14:56 Sleep vs Wakefulness; Protecting Attention, Social Media 01:24:44 Sponsor: LMNT 01:26:19 Impulsivity, Texting & Attention, Meditation vs Nature Restoration 01:33:10 Passive Restorative vs Passive Depleting Activities, “Mental Obesity”, Shrinking Attention Span 01:37:31 Kids, Phones, Tool: Nature Free Play; Social Happy Hour, Tool: Solitary Nature Breaks 01:45:30 Physical Health Benefits of Nature, Trees & Indoor Greenery; Aquariums 01:53:26 Thoughts, Feelings & Physical Spaces, Biophilic Design, Bringing Nature Indoors 02:01:03 Nature Breaks, Incorporating Nature into Schools, Work, Home & Cities; Forest Bathing 02:09:18 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter Disclaimer & Disclosures: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Top Comments (10)

@FromLandofLions 2025-07-14

Dr. Huberman listens to music when he’s doing tough workouts, but I listen to his podcasts while I’m lifting weights! 😅 God bless him, my fav scientist.

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@hubermanlab 2025-07-14

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@jeannineluke 2025-07-14

“The wisest and noblest teacher is nature itself” -Leonardo da Vinci

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@zoldyck9927 2025-07-14

I sleep to this podcast i don't know why but it works

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@robertalenrichter 2025-07-14

There is an institute in Vienna and Berlin which is devoted to what they term "social aesthetics". Part of what they research is how the form of our physical environment affects well-being. In German, "Sozialästhetik".

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@ricky401 2025-07-14

Seeing how TikTok and reels are short circuiting attention spans, this episode was very much needed.

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@2sweetspot1997 2025-07-14

I so needed to hear this badly. Just at the right time . Doc has changed me for better through this podcast. Forever grateful for giving us this kind of useful information . Truly a boon to humanity.

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@2theothersides 2025-07-14

Gregarious, light hearted discussion. Dr. Berman and Dr. Huberman share well with a similar tone.

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@Kj-ij5gc 2025-07-20

This episode in one phrase: spend more alone in nature, preferably alone, no headphones.

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@GardenYourHeart98 2025-07-14

Summary: spend time in nature 🌳🪷 I do mindfulness meditation. But the focus is not on the forehead but on the lower abdomen rising and falling with the breathing. Thich Nhat Hanh and Plum Village can provide more info. Meditation doesnt need to be a focus training. You can allow your mind to ruminate. There are many types of meditation. You can walk out in nature and ruminate and absorb the beauty and freshness of nature while meditating. You can either train your focus or go easy on yourself if you wanna rest your mind

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